The ONLY document produced by ANY US, state or local entity that proves Citizenship is a PASSPORT.
Ever fill out an I9? Thats just not true On Aug 12, 10:56 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > Plaino, > > The ONLY document produced by ANY US, state or local entity that > proves Citizenship is a PASSPORT. > > Only approximately 1/3 of US citizens have one. Your statement > > " hogwash, real Americans don't mind providing proof of identity" > > Is what is hogwash..... most Americans can not prove their > citizenship. > > On Aug 12, 7:57 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > When innocent American citizens are told they should have their papers > > on them, we live in a police state > > --- > > hogwash > > real Americans don't mind providing proof of identity > > > those who fear our government are something other than American > > > On Aug 12, 6:03 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Judge Halts Search for Cartoonist Who Embarrassed CopsIn April, Renton > > > Police Chief Kevin Milosevich learned of eight videos on YouTube > > > featuring computer-voiced cartoon characters rambling about office > > > politics and internal cop investigations, according to an affidavit for > > > one of the warrants. There s also some chatter about an officer dating a > > > suspect. > > > The videos mentioned no city, department or full names. But police built > > > a cyberstalking case against the videomaker . . . (Seattle > > > Post-Intelligencer)It s barely even necessary for the State to have a > > > pretext for harrassing you.The CallingYes, It Is a Police StateA line has > > > been crossed.Steven Horwitz > > > Posted June 16, 2011 > > > As regular readers know, I m not one for hyperbole, so perhaps some are > > > thinking that my title is ironic. Nope, I mean it. An accumulation of > > > events in recent months leads me to no other conclusion than that we are > > > in fact living in a police state in the good old US of A. > > > The list of reasons is fairly long, but we can certainly start with our > > > favorite gropers at the TSA. In my ideal world, airline safety would be > > > the responsibility of those with the most directly to lose financially > > > from doing it poorly: the airlines and the airports. But even in a world > > > where government has taken on that responsibility, we should be protected > > > by the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches. It s one thing to > > > walk through the standard metal detector, which seems reasonable, but > > > when we are expected to pose virtually nude in a submissive position for > > > government agents, and when refusing to do so earns you a feel-up that > > > would count as sexual battery in most states, that is something else > > > entirely. > > > If I had told you 20 years ago that in 2011 this is what would happen > > > every day to thousands of travelers -- including toddlers and the > > > handicapped -- at U.S. airports, you would not have believed me. And on > > > top of everything else,it doesn t work! It s mere security theatre. When > > > residents of the United States have a legitimate fear of being sexually > > > abused by agents of the State when engaging in peaceful air travel, we > > > live in a police state.SWAT TeamsAdd to this 1) the militarization of the > > > police, with no-knock raids by full SWAT teams being the norm for > > > everything from minor possession of marijuana tosuspected student-loan > > > fraud, and 2) the Supreme Court s complicity in eviscerating the Fourth > > > Amendment -- and two more pieces of the police state are in place. These > > > raids often feature what writer Radley Balko calls puppycides. The cops > > > shoot and kill any dogs in the house routinely, regardless of their > > > behavior. Of course the cops often raid the wrong house, terrifying > > > innocent people in the middle of the night and killingtheirdogs too. When > > > residents of the United States have serious reason to fear the door being > > > busted down in the middle of the night by armed agents of the State > > > despite having done nothing wrong, we live in a police state. > > > Then there s my experience this past week as I drove home from the > > > airport in Syracuse, New York. The Border Patrol and the State Police had > > > set up a roadblock on the county line about 30 miles from my house and at > > > least 20 miles as the crow flies from the border with Canada. This is not > > > uncommon, but this time two things were different. First, both groups of > > > officers were fully armed. Second, they were asking questions. Normally > > > they just peer into your car and let you go. This time, I was asked, > > > Where are you coming from? ; Were you out of the state? ; and Do you have > > > luggage in your trunk? They did not search the car, nor did they ask for > > > ID (the latter probably because I m white), but it does not matter. When > > > American citizens are stopped while traveling within their own state and > > > asked to account for their whereabouts, we live in a police state.Do You > > > Have Your Papers?Finally, a professional colleague of mine was recently > > > on a train to Chicago with his teenage son. They are of Mexican descent, > > > but both are American citizens. Border Patrol agents boarded the train > > > and conducted a similar inquisition. My colleague and his son were > > > hassled quite a bit and told that they probably should keep proof of > > > citizenship with them when they travel within the United States. When > > > innocent American citizens are told they should have their papers on > > > them, we live in a police state. > > > My experience last weekend reflects the essence of the problem. Why were > > > the cops and the Border Patrol there? They were looking for illegal > > > immigrants, drugs, and potential terrorists. It s the perfect storm of > > > statism that has brought us to this point. The combination of xenophobia, > > > irrational fear of drugs, and the terror the State has whipped up about > > > terrorists around every corner is the fuel on which this police state > > > feeds. But a police state cannot emerge without many fellow citizens > > > being willing to trade off their actual liberties for the false promise > > > of security. > > > Since 9/11 the biggest threat to the American people is not radical > > > Muslim terrorists, nor deranged domestic terrorists, but the terrorists > > > with the blue uniforms, badges, and body armor. Their weapons of mass > > > destruction are not bombs, but state-approved guns, latex-gloved hands, > > > and a profound disregard for our rights. Until we stand up and say, > > > Enough!theseterrorists will keep winning and our rights will continue to > > > be > > > lost.http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/yes-this-is-a-police-state/- > > > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
