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On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron Paul is more of a Statesman than a Politician > --- > and would be an even better potus > > but repubs, dems, and rest need not worry ... they'll get another > potus who supports US interventionist policies in the middle east and > the rest of the planet, feels obligated to protect oil and israel, and > will diminish American values by opening the border to even more > immigrants from non-white countries > > know the enemy > > On Aug 20, 11:00 am, lbiglee75 <[email protected]> wrote: >> I would ask one question about Ron Paul and the other candidates and >> it is this. How many times compared to the others have you heard Ron >> Paul say what he would do other than what we should do as a nation? >> Ron Paul is more of a Statesman than a Politician >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What I find both humorous, but at the same time troublesome, is that the >> > writer of this epistle doesn't have his facts correct. "They" being >> > those that call themselves "Libertarian"; really "don't get it". >> >> > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> Tell me, just how many more times must this single encounter be >> >> "translated" so we can understand it?? >> >> >> That so many fine authors want to put such a short list of short >> >> encounters in front of me with such long in-depth definitions and >> >> explanations is so very Republican/Democratic of them. >> >> >> I was under the impression that the best thing about Paul supporters >> >> was that they "get it". Those that don't "get it" probably never >> >> will. >> >> >> Just what is to be gained by boring the piss out of me and making sure >> >> that I ignore the next 20 minute article about a 5 minute >> >> conversation? >> >> >> Answer... I will ignore all that follow whether about new info or >> >> not. >> >> >> On Aug 19, 5:53 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Friday, August 19, 2011Ron Paul s Exchange with Santorum Says It Allby >> >> > Jacob G. Hornberger >> >> > The exchange over Iran between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the recent >> >> > Republican presidential debate goes a long way in explaining why the >> >> > mainstream statists, including those in the Republican Party and the >> >> > mainstream media, wish that libertarians would just go away. >> >> > Santorum pointed to 1979, the year of the Iranian revolution, when the >> >> > Iranian people took U.S. diplomats hostage and held them in captivity >> >> > for >> >> > about a year. Santorum pointed to that pivotal event to show that the >> >> > United >> >> > States has been at war with Iran ever since. >> >> > For statists, Santorum s point is the end of the discussion. The U.S. >> >> > government is good. It is innocent. It was just minding its own business >> >> > when Iranian revolutionaries attacked our country without any reason >> >> > whatsoever. >> >> > We saw the same phenomenon after the 9/11 attacks. They just hate us for >> >> > our freedom and values, U.S. officials cried. We were just minding our >> >> > own >> >> > business when the terrorists decided to kill Americans. The sentiment >> >> > was >> >> > the mindset of American statists. >> >> > And what happens if a libertarian says, Wait a minute. The story isn t >> >> > that simple. Let s look at what motivated these foreigners to do these >> >> > things. Let s examine what the U.S. government has been doing in foreign >> >> > affairs ? >> >> > Well, we all know what happens. The statists go ballistic, both in >> >> > politics and in mainstream newspapers across the land. Oh, you re >> >> > blaming >> >> > America! You hate our country! You must be a terrorist yourself. >> >> > America, >> >> > love our government or leave our country! >> >> > In fact, Paul s exchange with Santorum wasn t the first time this has >> >> > happened. Recall that famous debate exchange between Paul and Rudy >> >> > Guliani >> >> > four years ago. Paul pointed out that the terrorists came here on 9/11 >> >> > to >> >> > kill us because our government had been over there for years killing >> >> > them. >> >> > Guliani went ballistic, as did his fellow statists on the stage. Their >> >> > fellow statists in the mainstream media went crazy too. No one, and >> >> > certainly not a presidential candidate, is supposed to say such things. >> >> > It s >> >> > considered beyond the pale. Everyone knows that our government is good, >> >> > wise, and benevolent, believes in freedom and democracy, and would >> >> > never do >> >> > anything bad to foreigners. >> >> > Yet, that s actually when Ron Paul s 2008 presidential campaign took >> >> > off. Tens of thousands of ordinary Americans instinctively knew that >> >> > here >> >> > was a man who wasn t feeding them pabulum. Here was a man who had the >> >> > courage to speak the truth about U.S. foreign policy. He was willing to >> >> > observe openly that the emperor wore no clothes. >> >> > And that s why the statists wish that Ron Paul would just go away. It s >> >> > why they wish libertarians would just go away. That s why they resent >> >> > us. We >> >> > cause people to confront reality, which is sometimes not a comfortable >> >> > thing >> >> > to do. In a sense, we libertarians are therapists, people who help their >> >> > patients confront realities that are oftentimes quite painful to face. >> >> > Look at the drug war. The statists just want to keep doing what they ve >> >> > been doing for 40 years -- busting drug sellers, busting drug users, and >> >> > locking people up for the rest of their lives. Along come libertarians >> >> > and >> >> > point out the utter inanity of the whole thing. The never-ending deaths, >> >> > destruction, corruption, violence, gang wars, and infringements on >> >> > privacy >> >> > and liberty. Libertarians say: End this idiocy by legalizing drugs. >> >> > But that s considered outside the pale for the statists. It s okay to >> >> > call for reform of such programs. But abolition? Oh my gosh! I wish >> >> > those >> >> > libertarians would just shut up and go away. Everything is working out >> >> > so >> >> > fine without them. >> >> > Look at how Ron Paul responded to Santorum. He explained to Santorum >> >> > that the history of bad relations between Iran and the United States >> >> > did not >> >> > begin in 1979 but rather in 1953. That was the year that the CIA, the >> >> > U.S. >> >> > government s secret intelligence force, entered into Iran and ousted the >> >> > democratically elected prime minister of the country, Mohammed >> >> > Mossadegh, a >> >> > man who had been named Time Magazine s Man of the Year. >> >> > Why did the CIA do that? No, not for freedom and democracy, as the >> >> > statists would like to believe. Instead, the CIA interfered with the >> >> > internal affairs of Iran to retaliate for Mossadegh s nationalization of >> >> > British oil concessions. Yes, the CIA s anti-democracy coup was about >> >> > oil, >> >> > not freedom and democracy. >> >> > In fact, having ousted a democratically elected prime minister, the CIA >> >> > proceeded to install a non-elected brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran, >> >> > into >> >> > power. The CIA then proceeded to train and work closely with the Shah s >> >> > counterpart to the CIA, his brutal and tortuous Savak intelligence >> >> > force. >> >> > The Shah then proceeded to impose one of the harshest dictatorial >> >> > regimes in >> >> > the world on the Iranian people, with the full support of the CIA and >> >> > the >> >> > rest of the U.S. government. >> >> > Of course, U.S. officials didn t care one whit what the Shah was doing >> >> > to the Iranian people. All that mattered was that he was our friend. >> >> > Imagine if Savak had assassinated John Kennedy in order to get Lyndon >> >> > Johnson into power. How would the American people feel about that some >> >> > 50 >> >> > years later? I ll tell you: the deep anger and rage would still be >> >> > palpable. >> >> > Well, that s how the Iranian people felt about the U.S. government in >> >> > 1979. That s why they took the U.S. officials hostage. They were still >> >> > angry >> >> > about the CIA s ouster of their democratically elected prime minister. >> >> > They >> >> > were still angry about the Iranian people who had been brutalized, >> >> > incarcerated, and tortured by the Shah and his goons, with the full >> >> > support >> >> > and cooperation of the CIA. >> >> > That s what Santorum and his fellow statist cohorts don t want to >> >> > confront. They want to continue living their blissful little lives of >> >> > delusion. For them, the federal government is god. It is all-good. It is >> >> > all-knowing. It is all-powerful. It doesn t support dictatorships. It >> >> > believes in freedom and democracy. It never does bad things to people, >> >> > not >> >> > even conduct syphilis experiments on them. >> >> > That s the myth that is inculcated in every public school across America >> >> > and in most government-licensed private schools. That s the mindset >> >> > that is >> >> > produced in people like Santorum and the other statist candidates on >> >> > that >> >> > stage. >> >> > It s also the mindset of the mainstream news media reporters asking the >> >> > questions. That s why they feel so comfortable with the statists on >> >> > stage. >> >> > That s why they feel so uncomfortable whenever Ron Paul is answering >> >> > their >> >> > questions. >> >> > Let s face it: the statists wish that libertarians had never been born >> >> > and are extremely concerned about the rising popularity of >> >> > libertarianism >> >> > among the American people. That s why they ve done their best to lock >> >> > the >> >> > Libertarian Party out of the political process with their inane >> >> > ballot-restriction barriers. That s why they kept Ron Paul, a >> >> > long-serving >> >> > congressman, out of the early presidential debates four years ago. That >> >> > s >> >> > why they are keeping Gary Johnson, a popular two-term governor of New >> >> > Mexico, out of the current round of debates. After all, Johnson, another >> >> > libertarian, is also calling for ending the drug war and bringing the >> >> > troops >> >> > home. Why should it surprise us that they re locking him out of the >> >> > presidential debates, as they tried to do four years ago with Ron Paul? >> >> > They think that if they can just keep hewing to their little myths and >> >> > delusions and keep teaching them to their children in their >> >> > government-approved schools, everything will be fine. If they could only >> >> > shut out those pesky libertarians who confront people with truth and >> >> > reality, everything would be hunky dory. >> >> > But truth will out, which is why so many people are gravitating to Ron >> >> > Paul. They instinctively know that he s speaking truth to power, and >> >> > they >> >> > can see that power doesn t like it. >> >> > Ron Paul summed up the problem most eloquently when, in response to Rick >> >> > Santorum, he stated, We just plain don t mind our own business. That s >> >> > our >> >> > problem. >> >> > Of course, that s the problem with statists. They mind >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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