Revisionist history PlainOl', ---- not at all ... just the facts the Soviets were clearly a threat. I was living here in Germany in 1976 through 1979 as a young soldier --- still haven't found a deprogrammer yet, eh?
when they were a threat. I am too young to remember, (although I was alive) but the Soviets propping missiles up in Cuba ninety miles from my home in Tampa was clearly a threat. There are hundreds if not thousands of other examples, ---- hardly a threat ... it was a clash between the Marshall Plan and communism for control after wwII but to suggest anything else is either Moonbattery and/or RonPaulCrackpottery. --- those who were 'red scared' are to be pitied every attempt at interventionism by the USA has been a failure the policy and those who support it need to be eliminated asap by any means necessary On Oct 3, 2:45 pm, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > Revisionist history PlainOl', the Soviets were clearly a threat. I was > living here in Germany in 1976 through 1979 as a young soldier when they > were a threat. I am too young to remember, (although I was alive) but the > Soviets propping missiles up in Cuba ninety miles from my home in Tampa was > clearly a threat. There are hundreds if not thousands of other examples, > but to suggest anything else is either Moonbattery and/or > RonPaulCrackpottery. > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:41 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > We were not going to allow Soviet > > expansionism throughout the world > > --- > > the birth of a term called culture of fear > > the soviets were not a threat to the USA and everyone knew they were > > headed for collapse .... yet, through exaggerated fear they were > > demonized > > > every attempt by the US to intervene has been a disaster and seldom > > has it ever led to a democracy > > not that the US has an obligation to promote democracy > > > On Oct 3, 12:19 pm, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You might want to read on down, with regard to what Truman had to say: > > > > *The very existence of the Greek state is today threatened by the > > terrorist > > > activities of several thousand armed men, led by Communists, who defy the > > > government's authority at a number of points, particularly along the > > > northern boundaries. A Commission appointed by the United Nations > > security > > > Council is at present investigating disturbed conditions in northern > > Greece > > > and alleged border violations along the frontier between Greece on the > > one > > > hand and Albania, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia on the other. * > > > * * > > > > *Meanwhile, the Greek Government is unable to cope with the situation. > > The > > > Greek army is small and poorly equipped. It needs supplies and equipment > > if > > > it is to restore the authority of the government throughout Greek > > territory. > > > Greece must have assistance if it is to become a self-supporting and > > > self-respecting democracy. * > > > * * > > > > *The United States must supply that assistance. We have already extended > > to > > > Greece certain types of relief and economic aid but these are inadequate. > > * > > > > ** > > > ** > > > President Truman, March 12, 1947 > > > >http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/trudoc.asp > > > > What Truman did, and what became known as the Truman doctrine, was a "tit > > > for tat" scenario with the Soviets. We were not going to allow Soviet > > > expansionism throughout the world, and we nipped it in the bud in South > > > Korea, as well as Viet Nam for over a decade. I think it important to > > note > > > that we never lost a battle in Viet Nam, and I reject the notion that we > > > lost a war in Viet Nam. We allowed for a liberal media to influence the > > > political machinations of the era, and it was in fact a mistake for > > > President Ford not to have gone back in and wiped Hanoi off of the map in > > > 1975, but I digress. I could end up writing an epistle on this topic, > > but I > > > do opine that this was a defining moment in our Nation, and what was the > > > initial split between conservative politics and the socialist/communist > > > movement in this Nation. > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:57 PM, plainolamerican > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I cannot think of any time in our history, where we "intervened" and > > > > there > > > > wasn't an argument for the protection of our sovereignty, including > > > > Viet > > > > Nam > > > > --- > > > > are you implying that communism was a direct threat to our > > > > sovereignty? > > > > if so, then wouldn't you say that socialism is a direct threat? > > > > > You may in fact disagree with the logic, (and like most > > > > Moonbats, not comprehend the Truman Doctrine > > > > ---- > > > > Truman: > > > > I believe that we must assist free peoples to work out their own > > > > destinies in their own way. > > > > Speech to a joint session of the US Congress (12 March 1947), > > > > outlining what became known as The Truman Doctrine. > > > > > All the president is, is a glorified public relations man who spends > > > > his time flattering, kissing, and kicking people to get them to do > > > > what they are supposed to do anyway. > > > > > Had ten minutes conversation with Henry Morgenthau about Jewish > > > > ship in Palistine. Told him I would talk to Gen[eral] Marshall about > > > > it. He'd no business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of > > > > proportion nor do they have any judgement on world affairs. Henry > > > > brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis > > > > and they stayed. When the country went backward — and Republican in > > > > the election of 1946, this incident loomed large on the DP [Displaced > > > > Person] program. The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care > > > > not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks > > > > get murdered or mistreated as DP as long as the Jews get special > > > > treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political > > > > neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or > > > > mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no > > > > difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, > > > > Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who > > > > remember their past condition when prosperity comes. > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:08 am, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey PlainOl', > > > > > > Israel is a conundrum, and not a good example of other hot spots in > > the > > > > > world, albeit they are right in the middle of several issues. > > > > > > To the point, if any Nation does any act that would threaten the > > > > sovereignty > > > > > of the United States, then I think we have the right to intervene. > > Thus, > > > > > when there are those who are not identified with a Nation-State, but > > are > > > > > devout on seeing Islam return to its glory of the 11th and 12th > > > > centuries, > > > > > then yes, I think we have every right to intervene. So was the case > > with > > > > > Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq (which we believed was a potential threat > > in > > > > > 2003) and Pakistan just last year, when we violated Pakistan's > > > > soveriegnty > > > > > to go in and emasculate Osama bin Laden. > > > > > > I cannot think of any time in our history, where we "intervened" and > > > > there > > > > > wasn't an argument for the protection of our sovereignty, including > > Viet > > > > > Nam, and Iraq. You may in fact disagree with the logic, (and like > > most > > > > > Moonbats, not comprehend the Truman Doctrine with the case of Viet > > Nam) > > > > > and/or be intent on revising contemporary history, but again, I can > > think > > > > of > > > > > no incidents. (Maybe the Spanish American War....) > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:04 PM, plainolamerican > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > would we as a Nation have a right to interfere > > > > > > --- > > > > > > yes ... even to the extent of dismantling their government, if > > > > > > necessary > > > > > > but, remember, this is not about controlling resources or > > protecting > > > > > > one foreign government from another > > > > > > > backatcha: > > > > > > If the US stops providing military support to israel and their > > enemies > > > > > > attack them should we interfere? > > > > > > remember, israel has spied on us, killed our soldiers, corrupted > > our > > > > > > politicians and promotes socialism in our nation > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:50 am, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey PlainOl', (And Michael, Bruce, and all other Ron Paul > > Supporters > > > > > > here > > > > > > > in PF!) > > > > > > > > I have a question, I think it's rather simple. I am going to > > give a > > > > > > > hypothetical: > > > > > > > > "If Mexico decides to revert back to 19th or early 20th century > > > > > > technology, > > > > > > > and the Nation chooses to dump all of its sewers, waste streams > > both > > > > > > > residential and commercial, (which would potentially include > > > > chemical > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > and toxins, leachates, etc.) into a system that is untreated, > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > stream of waste is dumped into the Gulf of Mexico, where the > > Nation > > > > of > > > > > > > Mexico builds a pipe in international waters to divert this > > stream > > > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > its coast, where eventually, it is going to end up on American > > > > beaches > > > > > > and > > > > > > > shorelines, would we as a Nation have a right to interfere, or > > to > > > > stop > > > > > > such > > > > > > > a waste stream?" > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM, plainolamerican > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Beginning in the early part of the twentieth century, people > > like > > > > > > > > Woodrow Wilson began supposing that we had the right and duty > > to be > > > > > > > > the world’s keepers, and they have proceeded to mess things up > > > > around > > > > > > > > the world ever since. > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > spot on! > > > > > > > > > those who think the US should interfere in the internal affairs > > of > > > > > > > > other nations and fund their militaries should fight and fund > > their > > > > > > > > own charities without US tax dollars and soldiers > > > > > > > > > you're either an American or something else > > > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 10:05 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Cult of Reagan, and Other Neocon Folliesby Thomas E. > > Woods, > > > > Jr. > > > > > > > > > Some time agoThe American Spectator’s Jeffrey Lord claimed > > Ron > > > > Paul’s > > > > > > > > foreign policy of nonintervention was "liberal," and that > > > > conservatives > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > supposed to be hawkish on foreign policy. Now to some extent, > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > cares about these labels, and who qualifies as what. But it is > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > false to say that > > ... > > read more » -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
