I agree with you Plain Ol, the old Jewish God is a mean, vindictive God, and not the loving God that can be found in the New Covenants.
The same can be said for that God of the Muslims. Islam's roots are well documented, originating with a supernatural experience in a cave that left a young Mohammad with the firm belief that the archangel Gabriel had summoned him to be God's messenger on Earth. I don't think that you will dispute, that Islam in and of itself, was born in violence. Not only did the angel allegedly try to choke Mohammad to death at one point, so did his tribe, the "Quraysh". >From its very inception, Islam (according to Aiesha, Mohammad's 11 year old bride, (or 9 years of age, depending on which account you want to believe) and written in Haddith, 5:23; and Akbar, the best translation is "surrender") has been about a fight to survive. Mohammad called this principle "Jihad", and drew two distinctions. Ultimately the greater jihad, "Jihad al Akbar", was the struggle to perfect oneself, the struggle to be a better person in the eyes of Allah. But I opine more importantly according to Mohammad, was the lesser jihad, "Jihad al Asghar" – the struggle to defeat infidels, non-believers and opponents who threatened the faith. That would include you Plain Ol.....An individual who is a non-believer.....You clearly threaten the Islamic Faith..... On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:29 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > Judaism is a violent religion and the God of Israel is a violent God. > The Old Testament as full of violence and evidence of both a violent > society and a violent god. > Numerous Old Testament texts the power and glory of Israel's God is > described in the language of violence. More than one thousand passages > refer to YHWH as acting violently or supporting the violence of humans > and that more than one hundred passages involve divine commands to > kill humans. > > Some scholars such as Deborah Weissman readily acknowledge that > "normative Judaism is not pacifist" and that "violence is condoned in > the service of self-defense." > > The Hebrew Bible contains instances of religiously mandated wars which > often contain explicit instructions from God to the Israelites to > exterminate other tribes, as in Deut 7:1–2 orDeut 20:16-18 . Examples > include the story of Amalekites (Deut 25:17–19, 1 Sam 15:1-6), the > story of the Midianites (Numbers 31:1–18), and the battle of Jericho > (Joshua 6:1–27). > These wars of extermination have been characterized as "genocide" by > several authorities, because the Torah states that the Israelites > annihilated entire ethnic groups or tribes: the Israelites killed all > Amalekites, including men, women, and children (1 Samuel 15:1–20 ); > the Israelites killed all men, women, and children in the battle of > Jericho(Joshua 6:15–21), and the Israelites killed all men, women and > children of several Canaanite tribes ( Joshua 10:28–42). > Zionist leaders use religious references as justification for the > violent treatment of Arabs in Palestine. Palestinians have been > several times associated with a Biblical antagonists, Amalekites. For > example, rabbi Israel Hess has recommended to kill Palestinians, > basing on biblical verses such as 1 Samuel 15. Shulamit Aloni, a > member of the Israeli Knesset indicated in 2003 that Jewish children > in Israel were being taught in religious schools that Palestinians > were Amalek, and therefore an act of total genocide was a religious > obligation > > On Oct 30, 8:28 am, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is the Truth about American Muslims, Part 1 > > > > The First Amendment Center, the Muslim Brotherhood and assorted leftists > at > > the Interfaith Alliance have produced a polished piece of apologist > > propaganda< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V.. > .>for > > Islam. It has been getting a lot media > > play< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V...>, > > because it says all the things the public would like to believe about > > Islam. It is a textbook summary of arguments made by Islam’s apologists > and > > serves as a teaching example of how to refute this propaganda using the > > scientific method. > > > > The theme of this propaganda brochure is that “truth” about Islam is all > > about opinions. But, the truth of Islamic ideology is found in the Koran, > > Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and the Hadith (his Traditions). Mohammed’s > > acts and words are the perfect model of actions (Sunna) for all Muslims. > > > > The grand lie of this propaganda comes from confusing cause and effect > > about Islam and Muslims. Islam is a concrete doctrine that produces > > Muslims. This brochure, What is the Truth about American Muslims, argues > > that we may learn about Islam from Muslims. The beauty of this approach > is > > that you can choose the Islam you want by choosing the right Muslim. > > Although Islam can be precisely defined, Muslims are all over the map. > > There is one Islam, but 1.5 billion Muslims and whatever answer you want > > about Islam, you can find a Muslim who will tell you what you to hear. > And > > that is what this piece is about—finding the Muslims who will tell you > what > > you want to hear. > > > > Here is the truth about Muslims. They will not tell you the whole truth, > > but only a half truth. Islam is inherently dualistic and holds two > opposing > > truths at the same time. There are two Korans, an early Koran written in > > Mecca and a later Koran written in Medina. There is no jihad in the early > > Meccan Koran, but the later Medinan Koran is filled with jihad. So which > is > > the real Islam? Both peace and war are true Islam. A Muslim will only > talk > > about the half he needs. But, there is one Muslim who will tell you the > > complete truth—Mohammed. Needless to say, this propaganda does not > consult > > him. > > > > Knowing all of this, the following quotes are taken from the brochure, > What > > Is the Truth about American > > Muslims?< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V...> > > > > “This resource has been endorsed by 21 diverse religious, secular, > > interfaith and civil rights organizations…” > > > > *Immediately we that learn the authority of this document is based on 21 > > groups of diverse people. Sounds good? Maybe. But the brochure is > supposed > > to give us the “Truth about American Muslims”. If we are talking about > > Muslims, then there is no organization that matters. When we talk about > > Muslims, there is one way to find out the truth about Muslims--Islam. The > > only place to find the truth about Islam is in the Koran, Sira and > > Hadith—the Trilogy—Mohammed and Allah. * > > > > *Think about it. Who cares what some theology graduate of divinity school > > says about Islam? If he agrees with Allah and Mohammed, then he is > > redundant. If he disagrees with Mohammed or Allah, then he is wrong. All > > the organizational “expert” brings is either redundancy or error. Skip > the > > diverse, secular, interfaith and civil rights bureaucracies, and go to > the > > factual basis of Islam—Koran, Sira and Hadith. * > > > > *The same thing applies to all Muslims. A Muslim is only a Muslim when > they > > follow the doctrine of Islam. When they don’t follow Islam, they are not > > being a Muslim. It is so simple. Neither a Muslim nor a non-Muslim has an > > opinion that is worth a hoot, unless it references the doctrine of > Islam.* > > > > “During the past decade, *acts of violence by extremists claiming to act > > in the name of Islam* have raised fears and created confusion about > Islam. > > In the United States, *some individuals and groups have attempted to > > conflate all of Islam with extremist violence by disseminating > > misinformation and distortions about Islam and American Muslims*. This > has > > led to a rise in discrimination against American Muslims and those > > perceived to be Muslims, attacks on American Muslim institutions, and > > protests against the building of mosques in local communities.” > > > > “acts of violence by extremists claiming to act in the name of Islam” > > > > *What are these “acts of violence”? There is a massive amount of > violence > > in the Koran, Sira and Hadith and it is the violence of jihad. Here is a > > chart of how much violence there is in Islam’s sacred texts.* > > > > * * > > > > *Nearly a third, 31%, of the complete doctrine of Islam is about > violence. > > And who is committing this violence? Both Mohammed and his warriors. Is > > Mohammed an extremist? No. His actions, the Sunna, are the very > definition > > of moderate Islam. There 91 verses in the Koran that say that the entire > > world is to follow his perfect example. The Koran defines moderation, the > > moderation of Islam. Islam is violent; hence when Muslims are violent > > against the Kafir, that violence is moderation. So say, Mohammed and > Allah.* > > > > *Most people consider “moderate” to mean non-extreme, normal, or average > > and hence, peaceful. But, pay attention here. Moderation implies some > scale > > or reference. As an example, the temperature of 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit > > would be extremely hot in your living room. But, if you are talking about > > stars, then 10,000 degrees is moderate, and not even that hot. In the > same > > way, peaceful relations between people are moderate on the scale of the > > Golden Rule. But, on the scale of the Koran, murder of Kafirs is > moderate. > > * > > *So far as “claiming” to act in the name of Islam, when Major Hassan > shoots > > 42 soldiers in Fort Hood while yelling “Allahu akbar”, he is claiming to > > act in name of Islam. But what he is doing is not violence, it is > > moderation in the name of Islam—the moderation of jihad. * > > > > “some individuals and groups have attempted to conflate all of Islam > with > > extremist violence by disseminating misinformation and distortions about > > Islam and American Muslims.” > > > > *Note that we do not conflate “all” of Islam with jihad. No, it is clear > > that since 67% of the Sira is about jihad, then 33% of the Sira is not > > about jihad. This analysis exactly measures the truth of the statement. * > > > > *What is an “American Muslim”? What is any Muslim? A Muslim is one who > > follows the doctrine of Islam. What is the American Islam that an > American > > Muslim follows? There is no American Islam because there is no American > > Koran and no American Sunna. There is only the Koran and the Sunna of > > Mohammed. End of story. There is only Islam. Muslims are in America as > part > > of the umma (the Islamic community) first, being American is secondary. * > > > > *Exactly, what part of the Koran and the Sunna does an American Muslim > > reject or reinterpret? It turns out the words “American Muslim” cannot be > > defined in terms of doctrine, only in misdirection campaigns such as > this.* > > > > “By seeking to provide accurate information about *religious freedom* > and > > American Muslims, this publication does not ignore or minimize the > > significant threat posed by extremists who promote and commit acts of > > violence in the name of Islam. We fully recognize the challenge to peace > > and justice posed by small factions within Islam who lift up extremist > > theology and pervert their faith to support their violence. All of the > > world’s major religions have faced similar challenges. But acts of > violence > > by radical individuals and groups *must not be used to condemn Islam > itself > > *– or to *paint all Muslims with the brush of extremism*.” > > > > *This paragraph is a target rich environment because it contains so many > > apologist clichés. Let’s tackle them one by one. * > > > > First cliché: “religious freedom” > > > > *What every person must care about is political Islam, not religious > > Islam. As an example, the Sharia dictates that during a part of Islamic > > prayer a Muslim’s backside must be higher that his head. Who cares? Who > is > > trying to restrict that? * > > > > *Jihad, a part of Islamic doctrine, is political since it is carried out > > against non-Muslims, the Kafirs. All of Islamic doctrine that concerns > the > > Kafir is political. The amount of Islamic doctrine that is devoted to > > Kafirs is astounding. Look at this chart based on word count:* > > > > * * > > > > *The big picture is that over half of Islam’s foundational texts are > about > > the non-Muslim, the Kafir. Islam has a highly detailed doctrine about the > > Kafir and that means that most of Islamic doctrine is political. This is > > the reason that Islam has such political impact in America and everywhere > > Muslims exist.* > > > > *So drop the “religious freedom” distraction. Let’s deal with the > politics > > of Islam, let’s keep it political and talk all we want.* > > > > Next cliché: “must not be used to condemn Islam itself” > > > > *We do not need to condemn Islam. We need to know Islamic doctrine and > see > > how it drives the actions of all Muslims, both peaceful ones and > jihadists. > > Islam is dualistic and contains both peace and war (jihad). That is its > > true nature and we must not condemn it, but know it. We must know the > > detailed history of political Islam and how the Sharia has annihilated > all > > Kafir civilizations for 14 centuries. We must understand Islam in both > root > > and branch. It condemns itself; we do not need to condemn it.* > > > > Next cliché: “paint all Muslims with the brush of extremism” > > > > *No, we do not want to paint Muslims with extremism. We want to paint > all > > Muslims with the brush of Islam. We must ask Muslims where they stand on > > Sharia, the Kafir, jihad, the beating of women, death to apostates and so > > on. Every Muslim must be confronted with Islamic doctrine. Do they reject > > the assassination of intellectuals who oppose political Islam? If so how > do > > they oppose it, because Mohammed repeatedly ordered the assassination of > > all intellectuals and artists who opposed Islam? Assassination of > opponents > > is Sunna, normative Islam. * > > > > “Our purpose here is to inform Americans about the vast majority of > their > > fellow citizens who are Muslim. In doing so, we seek to *uphold* our > shared > > commitment to *religious freedom* and contribute to a climate of > > understanding and respect among Americans of all faiths and none.” > > > > “uphold religious freedom” > > > > *What a cruel joke when referring to Islam. The Center for the Study of > > Political Islam produces a monthly newsletter The Bulletin of Christian > > Persecution. Each month you can read of Islamic violence against > Christians > > in every Muslim country. The dead Christians at the hands of jihadists > > march on and on each month.* > > > > *But it is not just Christians who suffer death under Islam. The > following > > graph was taken from data on religionofpeace.com. Since 9/11 2001 there > > have been over 19,000 jihad attacks. Here are the top four countries:* > > > > ** > > > > *Let’s look at what this says. Jihad attacks Jews, Buddhists, Christians > > and Hindus, so much for religious freedom and Islam.* > > > > “Who are American Muslims today?” > > > > *American Muslim is the latest attempt by the Muslim Brotherhood in > > America to divorce themselves from the Arab Muslims who riot, rape, > murder > > and kidnap Kafirs in their countries. Oh no, those retrograde troglodyte > > jihadists are not the new and improved American Muslims. * > > > > *And what is the Muslim Brotherhood that is peddling the American Muslim > > label? Well, here is what they believe and proclaim:* > > > > *"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our > > law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. > > Allahu akbar!”* > > > > *Oh, yeah! They have the American Muslim thing down pat. * > > > > *There is no such thing as AMERICAN ISLAM. Hence, there are Muslims with > an > > American zip code, but no such thing as a Muslim who follows American > > Islam. American Muslims, just like all other Muslims, follow the > > Kafir-hating doctrine of Islam. * > > > > The tragedy is not that Muslims put out propaganda, but that so many > > Christians, Jews, and other apologists so happily sign on to such lies > and > > deception, turning a blind eye to the violence and murder done their own > > kind. > > > > More to come… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam > > Permalink: > > <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V.. > .>http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/what-is-the-truth-about-am-muslims.. > .<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V.. > .> > > copyright (c) CBSX, LLC, politicalislam.com > > Use as needed, just give credit and do not edit.www.politicalislam.com< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V...> > > > > This message was sent to [email protected] from: > > > > Political Islam . com | Suite 500 3212 West End Av | Nashville, TN 37203 > > > > Email Marketing by [image: iContact - Try It > > Free!]<http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> > > Manage Your Subscription > > <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=8149463&l=3216&s=6VT9.. > .> > > | Send > > To a Friend > > <http://app.icontact.com/icp/core/message/forward?m=897237&s=8149463&c.. > .> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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