There you go again, throwing those Chinese folks into the mix.....
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:56 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > Plain Ol.....An individual who is a non-believer.....You clearly > threaten the Islamic Faith..... > --- > and you, a believer in religious myths, clearly threaten muslims. > > watching xians, jews and muzzies kill each other is a gas! > > On Oct 30, 10:55 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with you Plain Ol, the old Jewish God is a mean, vindictive God, > > and not the loving God that can be found in the New Covenants. > > > > The same can be said for that God of the Muslims. Islam's roots are > well > > documented, originating with a supernatural experience in a cave that > left > > a young Mohammad with the firm belief that the archangel Gabriel had > > summoned him to be God's messenger on Earth. > > > > I don't think that you will dispute, that Islam in and of itself, was > born > > in violence. Not only did the angel allegedly try to choke Mohammad to > > death at one point, so did his tribe, the "Quraysh". > > > > From its very inception, Islam (according to Aiesha, Mohammad's 11 year > old > > bride, (or 9 years of age, depending on which account you want to > believe) > > and written in Haddith, 5:23; and Akbar, the best translation is > > "surrender") has been about a fight to survive. Mohammad called this > > principle "Jihad", and drew two distinctions. Ultimately the greater > jihad, > > "Jihad al Akbar", was the struggle to perfect oneself, the struggle to > be a > > better person in the eyes of Allah. But I opine more importantly > according > > to Mohammad, was the lesser jihad, "Jihad al Asghar" – the struggle to > > defeat infidels, non-believers and opponents who threatened the faith. > > > > That would include you Plain Ol.....An individual who is a > > non-believer.....You clearly threaten the Islamic Faith..... > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:29 PM, plainolamerican > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judaism is a violent religion and the God of Israel is a violent God. > > > The Old Testament as full of violence and evidence of both a violent > > > society and a violent god. > > > Numerous Old Testament texts the power and glory of Israel's God is > > > described in the language of violence. More than one thousand passages > > > refer to YHWH as acting violently or supporting the violence of humans > > > and that more than one hundred passages involve divine commands to > > > kill humans. > > > > > Some scholars such as Deborah Weissman readily acknowledge that > > > "normative Judaism is not pacifist" and that "violence is condoned in > > > the service of self-defense." > > > > > The Hebrew Bible contains instances of religiously mandated wars which > > > often contain explicit instructions from God to the Israelites to > > > exterminate other tribes, as in Deut 7:1–2 orDeut 20:16-18 . Examples > > > include the story of Amalekites (Deut 25:17–19, 1 Sam 15:1-6), the > > > story of the Midianites (Numbers 31:1–18), and the battle of Jericho > > > (Joshua 6:1–27). > > > These wars of extermination have been characterized as "genocide" by > > > several authorities, because the Torah states that the Israelites > > > annihilated entire ethnic groups or tribes: the Israelites killed all > > > Amalekites, including men, women, and children (1 Samuel 15:1–20 ); > > > the Israelites killed all men, women, and children in the battle of > > > Jericho(Joshua 6:15–21), and the Israelites killed all men, women and > > > children of several Canaanite tribes ( Joshua 10:28–42). > > > Zionist leaders use religious references as justification for the > > > violent treatment of Arabs in Palestine. Palestinians have been > > > several times associated with a Biblical antagonists, Amalekites. For > > > example, rabbi Israel Hess has recommended to kill Palestinians, > > > basing on biblical verses such as 1 Samuel 15. Shulamit Aloni, a > > > member of the Israeli Knesset indicated in 2003 that Jewish children > > > in Israel were being taught in religious schools that Palestinians > > > were Amalek, and therefore an act of total genocide was a religious > > > obligation > > > > > On Oct 30, 8:28 am, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What is the Truth about American Muslims, Part 1 > > > > > > The First Amendment Center, the Muslim Brotherhood and assorted > leftists > > > at > > > > the Interfaith Alliance have produced a polished piece of apologist > > > > propaganda< > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V.. > > > .>for > > > > Islam. It has been getting a lot media > > > > play< > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V.. > .>, > > > > because it says all the things the public would like to believe about > > > > Islam. It is a textbook summary of arguments made by Islam’s > apologists > > > and > > > > serves as a teaching example of how to refute this propaganda using > the > > > > scientific method. > > > > > > The theme of this propaganda brochure is that “truth” about Islam is > all > > > > about opinions. But, the truth of Islamic ideology is found in the > Koran, > > > > Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and the Hadith (his Traditions). > Mohammed’s > > > > acts and words are the perfect model of actions (Sunna) for all > Muslims. > > > > > > The grand lie of this propaganda comes from confusing cause and > effect > > > > about Islam and Muslims. Islam is a concrete doctrine that produces > > > > Muslims. This brochure, What is the Truth about American Muslims, > argues > > > > that we may learn about Islam from Muslims. The beauty of this > approach > > > is > > > > that you can choose the Islam you want by choosing the right Muslim. > > > > Although Islam can be precisely defined, Muslims are all over the > map. > > > > There is one Islam, but 1.5 billion Muslims and whatever answer you > want > > > > about Islam, you can find a Muslim who will tell you what you to > hear. > > > And > > > > that is what this piece is about—finding the Muslims who will tell > you > > > what > > > > you want to hear. > > > > > > Here is the truth about Muslims. They will not tell you the whole > truth, > > > > but only a half truth. Islam is inherently dualistic and holds two > > > opposing > > > > truths at the same time. There are two Korans, an early Koran > written in > > > > Mecca and a later Koran written in Medina. There is no jihad in the > early > > > > Meccan Koran, but the later Medinan Koran is filled with jihad. So > which > > > is > > > > the real Islam? Both peace and war are true Islam. A Muslim will only > > > talk > > > > about the half he needs. But, there is one Muslim who will tell you > the > > > > complete truth—Mohammed. Needless to say, this propaganda does not > > > consult > > > > him. > > > > > > Knowing all of this, the following quotes are taken from the > brochure, > > > What > > > > Is the Truth about American > > > > Muslims?< > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=897237&act=6V.. > .> > > > > > > “This resource has been endorsed by 21 diverse religious, secular, > > > > interfaith and civil rights organizations…” > > > > > > *Immediately we that learn the authority of this document is based > on 21 > > > > groups of diverse people. Sounds good? Maybe. But the brochure is > > > supposed > > > > to give us the “Truth about American Muslims”. If we are talking > about > > > > Muslims, then there is no organization that matters. When we talk > about > > > > Muslims, there is one way to find out the truth about > Muslims--Islam. The > > > > only place to find the truth about Islam is in the Koran, Sira and > > > > Hadith—the Trilogy—Mohammed and Allah. * > > > > > > *Think about it. Who cares what some theology graduate of divinity > school > > > > says about Islam? If he agrees with Allah and Mohammed, then he is > > > > redundant. If he disagrees with Mohammed or Allah, then he is wrong. > All > > > > the organizational “expert” brings is either redundancy or error. > Skip > > > the > > > > diverse, secular, interfaith and civil rights bureaucracies, and go > to > > > the > > > > factual basis of Islam—Koran, Sira and Hadith. * > > > > > > *The same thing applies to all Muslims. A Muslim is only a Muslim > when > > > they > > > > follow the doctrine of Islam. When they don’t follow Islam, they are > not > > > > being a Muslim. It is so simple. Neither a Muslim nor a non-Muslim > has an > > > > opinion that is worth a hoot, unless it references the doctrine of > > > Islam.* > > > > > > “During the past decade, *acts of violence by extremists claiming > to act > > > > in the name of Islam* have raised fears and created confusion about > > > Islam. > > > > In the United States, *some individuals and groups have attempted to > > > > conflate all of Islam with extremist violence by disseminating > > > > misinformation and distortions about Islam and American Muslims*. > This > > > has > > > > led to a rise in discrimination against American Muslims and those > > > > perceived to be Muslims, attacks on American Muslim institutions, and > > > > protests against the building of mosques in local communities.” > > > > > > “acts of violence by extremists claiming to act in the name of Islam” > > > > > > *What are these “acts of violence”? There is a massive amount of > > > violence > > > > in the Koran, Sira and Hadith and it is the violence of jihad. Here > is a > > > > chart of how much violence there is in Islam’s sacred texts.* > > > > > > * * > > > > > > *Nearly a third, 31%, of the complete doctrine of Islam is about > > > violence. > > > > And who is committing this violence? Both Mohammed and his warriors. > Is > > > > Mohammed an extremist? No. His actions, the Sunna, are the very > > > definition > > > > of moderate Islam. There 91 verses in the Koran that say that the > entire > > > > world is to follow his perfect example. The Koran defines > moderation, the > > > > moderation of Islam. Islam is violent; hence when Muslims are violent > > > > against the Kafir, that violence is moderation. So say, Mohammed and > > > Allah.* > > > > > > *Most people consider “moderate” to mean non-extreme, normal, or > average > > > > and hence, peaceful. But, pay attention here. Moderation implies some > > > scale > > > > or reference. As an example, the temperature of 10,000 degrees > Fahrenheit > > > > would be extremely hot in your living room. But, if you are talking > about > > > > stars, then 10,000 degrees is moderate, and not even that hot. In the > > > same > > > > way, peaceful relations between people are moderate on the scale of > the > > > > Golden Rule. But, on the scale of the Koran, murder of Kafirs is > > > moderate. > > > > * > > > > *So far as “claiming” to act in the name of Islam, when Major Hassan > > > shoots > > > > 42 soldiers in Fort Hood while yelling > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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