I'm not defending the Terms of Service, some very valid points have been made, and perhaps the terms should be simpler.
However, for everyone who states they will stop using the pool, stop contributing to the pool, and advise others not to use it, do you also do the same with Google, Bing, or Yahoo? I didn't feel like reading through the Microsoft document, but Google and Yahoo also state that it's a legal agreement you're entering into when you use their services, they can change them at any time, and the agreement is governed by the laws of the State of California. There are valid criticisms of the terms out there, and this can be a constructive conversation to correct them, but overreaction isn't helping anything. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Jasper Kips <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > As far as I can see, you are actually try to kill a mosquito with an > atomic bomb. Personally I would just state the TOS simple. Like the pool is > in no way liable for any kind of accuracy of time, or time measurement, > therefore the pool should not be used for any kind of system where time is > critical. And users (not end user, that is someone totally different. > Someone you have usually no interaction with, and you can't have an > agreement that involves third parties who are not part of the original > relation, between you and the systems operator), should configure their > system, in such a way, that it will not cause any malfunction of the pool. > And that you reserve the right to deny clients access to the pool. > > Basically, keep it as simple as possible. You most certainly do not want > the users, and contributors, to enter in a legal binding agreement, with > all the implications of that. > Moreover, we are users and contributors. You take the role of forcing the > contributors to abide by the ToS, but do not grant us the same legal > protection you give yourself. > > I understand what you want to accomplish, but if you do it this way, I > feel I should withdraw all my servers, and never, ever use the pool. And > that will escalate, since I feel the need to advice my customers, to quit > using, or contributing to the pool. > > Please reconsider what you want to accomplish, be aware that the pool is > used voluntarily, and free ( as in free beer ). There is no transaction > involved, you have not a supplier customer relationship with users. You are > already immune, on this basis, by the DMCA. But it will not hurt to > explicitly state that the pool, nor its contributors, are not responsible > for any damage that is a result from using the pool. > That will not make us immune for everything, such as with malintent and > criminally tinker with the system. > > Do not use legalise language more than needed, but if you do, make sure it > also protects the contributors. And that is an international bunch. Not > automatically bound by US law. > > Just my 2cents. > > Jasper Kips, > Always waiting for the ricochet > > Op 30 aug. 2013 om 10:08 heeft Ask Bjørn Hansen <[email protected]> het > volgende geschreven: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > The website now has a terms of service document for how to use the NTP > Pool -- > > > > http://www.ntppool.org/tos.html > > > > The main points are about not configuring syncing in a dumb way (top of > the hour, too frequent, etc) and that the service is provided as-is -- > don't use it for anything where correct time is business- or life-critical. > > > > > > Ask > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pool mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/pool > _______________________________________________ > pool mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/pool >
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