*clears through* ahem... This sounds like a clear case of Obama Derangement Syndrome<http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/04/02/obama_derangement_syndrome/index.html?source=rss> . Definition--<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obama+derangement+syndrome> "The acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the statements -- nay -- the very existence of Barack Obama."
-Lance On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Lance McCulley <[email protected]>wrote: > Why do these groups have to be new? Their tactics might be new prompting a > report on their new activities and tactics. Which, by the way the report > discusses their recruiting techniques, is fairly plausible. > > You also said, "But of course, the assessment *never names "these groups" > or provides any evidence "these groups" have even been investigated*." But > clearly, they did and they have. My previous post destroys this argument, > which is probably why you avoided it and went another direction. (From it's > too vague to it doesn't unhash any *new* extremist plots.) > > Blah blah"...because I believed that you would understand it still applied > to my overall point." > Your point was that the assessment is "so vague and generalized" that is > can be applied to any right winger. Well, unless you're hanging out with > Skin-heads, Neo-Nazis, Anti-Semetics, Anti-Hispanics, or stockpiling > explosives, you have nothing to worry about--which, by the way the > 'assessment' clearly pointed out. Your point *now* is that it doesn't > "unhash any *new *existing right wing extremist plots that have been > uncovered *since the new administration took office*." But the report, as > you clearly pointed out, admits this; and, even goes so far as to say that > the groups are recruiting for larger operations, while also bringing > attention to smaller terrorist cells and rouge militia that might spring up > out of desperation. > > So, again, how is this different from Bush, other than Bush had to have > attacks happen on his watch before he ordered any reports? Perhaps, Obama's > just ahead of the game and that's what is really pissing off the loosing > side. When did the GOP become such sore loosers? > > -Lance > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Jarrad Reiner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In the first part of my email I specifically said this report does not >> unhash any new existing right wing extremist plots that have been uncovered >> since the new administration took office. >> >> I did not repeat that qualification in my conclusion sentence (which you >> quoted) because I believed that you would understand it still applied to my >> overall point. But that's what you get for assuming.... >> >> Jarrad >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Lance McCulley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Just because they don't give cute acronyms for the specific groups >> (neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists) doesn't mean they >> weren't being specific. They still named groups, and even those associated >> with a particular individual (i.e. Timothy Mc Veigh). It seems though, that >> perhaps, the author of this article felt threatened and that's why he tried >> to downplay the similarities. >> >> "If they have specific threats from specific groups with evidence than >> lets here it." --Jarrad >> >> "A militia member in Wyoming was arrested in February 2007 after >> *communicating his plans* to travel to the Mexican border to *kill >> immigrants * >> crossing into the United States." >> >> "In April 2007, six militia members were arrested for various weapons and >> explosives violations. Open source reporting alleged that those arrested >> had >> *discussed and conducted surveillance for a machinegun attack on >> Hispanics*." >> >> "In two instances in the run-up to the >> election, *extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some >> >> threatening activity* targeting the Democratic nominee, *but law >> enforcement interceded*. " >> >> Those are all from the >> report<http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf>. >> >> >> -Lance >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jarrad Reiner < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> How is this any different than Bush's DHS Policies? (assuming you mean >>> past DHS reports on "leftwing extremism"): >>> >>> Past <http://www.scribd.com/doc/12251436/DHS-Eco-Terrorism-in-US-2008> >>> DHS <http://www.scribd.com/doc/12251436/DHS-Eco-Terrorism-in-US-2008> >>> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/12251436/DHS-Eco-Terrorism-in-US-2008>and >>> FBI assessments on "left-wing groups" are specific >>> <http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm>in >>> identifying the exact groups, causes and the targets of their >>> terrorism,(ALF, ELF, etc). >>> This new 9 page lists right wing extremists as those that oppose Obama on >>> immigration, 2nd amendment and welfare, etc... As well as those who >>> believe, as many of the founders did, in >>> federalism<http://www.nccs.net/newsletter/mar95nl.html>. >>> This report is so vague and generalized in does not name one specific >>> extremist group or even one plot that right wing extremists have hatched >>> since the new administration. The report actually admits that threats from >>> these groups "have been rhetorical and *have not indicated plans to >>> carry out violent acts". *But of course, the assessment never names >>> "these groups" or provides any evidence "these groups" have even been >>> investigated. >>> >>> From the Report >>> >>> *”right wing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential >>> administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including >>> immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to >>> minorities, and restrictions on firearms and use.”* >>> * >>> * >>> *Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into >>> those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented >>> (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and >>> those that are mainly antigovernment,** rejecting federal authority in >>> favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority >>> entirely.** It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to >>> a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.* >>> >>> Full >>> Report<http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf> >>> >>> >>> If they have specific threats from specific groups with evidence than >>> lets here it. But this report does none of that. Its an assessment that >>> attempts to label and stereotype conservative beliefs as being "right wing >>> extremist", much like the recent (and later redacted) Missouri Law >>> Enforcement Report <http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/1086524.html> that >>> those with Ron Paul bumper stickers maybe "Militia Members" . >>> >>> Jarrad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Lance McCulley wrote: >>> >>> So, the Bush Admin targets hippies and the Obama Admin targets >>> hillbillies. Sounds fair and balanced to me. ;-) >>> >>> On a more serious note, how is this any different than Bush's DHS >>> policies? Both policies take away liberties and target specific individuals >>> with enough obscurity that the DHS can imprison anyone for any period of >>> time without reason. The only 1up for Obama is the fact that he can't be >>> charged with the creation of such a large government institution. >>> >>> -Lance >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Jarrad Reiner < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> <http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/14/confirme-the-obama-dhs-hit-job-on-conservatives-is-real/> >>>> http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/14/confirme-the-obama-dhs-hit-job-on-conservatives-is-real/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Jarrad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Politically Opinionated Outspoken People Expounding Religion" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pooper?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
