On 2011-06-25 17:59, Paul Ramsey wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Frans Knibbe<frans.kni...@geodan.nl>  wrote:

Or in a smaller nutshell: PostGIS says it complies with a standard but does
not comply to that standard.
Regarding axis orientation, we are in the company of Oracle, ESRI,
Microsoft, IBM, MapInfo, Intergraph. Everyone except I guy from EPSG I
met at an OGC meeting once and (apparently) you. I sleep OK at night.
I sleep very well at night too. Sometimes even in the daytime :-)

To me the argument "We are ignoring the standard because everyone else is doing the same" comes across as rather weak. The whole point of standards is that you comply with them, otherwise they are useless. I fully agree that having different axis orders is a big nuisance. But not complying with standards can be a nuisance too.

I, as a human, can take a look at geographic coordinates and guess whether the axis orientation is correct. But what if those coordinates are processed by some kind of automated procedure? How is a computer to know that it is not to interpret data as they are presented? That is exactly the problem I am having now. I want to export WKT from PostGIS, indicating that the CRS is epsg:4326. I have no knowledge of who, when and how these data will be used.

But it seems I have found my question answered. If I have a problem with the axis order in PostGIS I should solve it myself, for the moment at least.

By the way, I just found an OGC note about the issue: http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/491 (Axis Order Policy Guidance). For those interested in the subject: please read it. It is a very short document.

P.
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