I haven't tried the zapping.  I can get the floppy drive, will try 
that.  I'll also try the 'base' extensions.
thanks for the help...
Dan

On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 08:23 PM, John Smith wrote:

> I didn't think the PRAM Battery caused anything this serious, just 
> loss of
> time etc in the finder when you wake/start up.
>
> Surely once the main battery or AC power is applied the PRAM battery 
> would
> be irrelevant?? But like I said, I just don't know.
>
> I assume you've tried it already, but you can zap the PRAM,
> (command-option-P-R when starting up), who knows, it might work.
>
> Also, I recall getting the 'to start up without extensions, hold shift 
> down'
> warning once, I restarted and the second time it worked ok (ie, no
> extensions) - a little temperamental obviously...
>
> Did you try Mac OS Base extensions set when using the extensions 
> manager?
> How about simply going back to the way it was? Maybe it's moved some 
> files
> around, and 'bumped' something into place... ???
>
> If all else fails, you can ask if anyone is in your area on this list, 
> and
> maybe borrow a floppy drive...
>
> ...or a service centre.
>
> Good luck,
>
> --
> john
>
> On 17/2/03 1:00 PM, "djl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> this is one bad pickle
>>
>> I didn't say before but I got to the extension manager using the space
>> bar, then turned off the Time sync extension and continued booting 
>> only
>> to get a different extension error (HP Background...) rebooted again
>> back to the ext mgr, turned off that one, and got a different 
>> extension
>> error, back to ext mgr, turned that one off and another extension
>> error.  Then I turned all extensions off and got the "To turn
>> extensions off, hold the shift key..." message, which is the same
>> message that comes up when holding the shift key.
>>
>> I've been trying original os 8.0, 9.2, techtool with 9.04, techtool
>> with 8.6, cds, on the internal cd drive, and the external non-apple 
>> cd.
>> I don't have a floppy/ drive or os disk.   It was/is running os 9.0.
>> It's a friends machine who said it was working fine for a few months
>> since the 9.0 install then this 'lockout'
>>
>> Would a bad pram battery cause this?  It just feel like it.
>> Dan
>
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