I think I'm going to add my 0.02 NIS
So see interleaved.
On 5/31/07, Dennis Clarke <dclarke at blastwave.org> wrote:
>
> > Okay, you know what
> >
> > Forget it
> >
> > Fuck sun labs, they're a hostile force and shall be treated as such, anyone
> > else want to just fork this project and forget the empty promises of sun
> > labs ?
John,
While I surely understand your frustration I'd definitely think twice on
choice of wording...
> I don't know where to begin.
>
> Firstly let me say that this project started outside of Sun and it was
> hosted on a site at Blastwave and at Blastware. Here is what happened, as
> I recall it and as briefly as possible :
>
[Polaris timeline trimmed]
>
> Sun Lawyers are totally the issue here and if there is to be anything to
> ever be released from inside Sun Labs then it must pass through Sun legal.
We (community) have no indication that it is Sun Legal that is a problem.
That is a speculation based on Tom Riddle' mails.
>
> Stagnation and rot have set in.
>
> and bitterness.
>
> Not much exists at all anymore outside of Sun and at this point it will take
> involvement by IBM people to get a port happening on future looking POWER
> gear. I don't know what else to say really.
>
> As far as "open" projects go this is a dead project at OpenSolaris.org and
> it never should have been allowed to wander back inside the closed doors.
I am not sure there is something we could do. None of us is payed to
work on Polaris. And those who are payed choose to do do it in closed
way. I put as much coding work as I could out of my own spare time.
At some point it became obvious that it would take a full time developer
to continue the work, so I had to wind down.
>
> Therefore, as a leader in this project :
>
> I call for a vote of the members of this project to terminate
> this project at OpenSolaris.org. Please indicate a YES or NO
> below :
>
> YES [ ] - kill this project at OpenSolaris.org
>
> NO [ ] - no .. not yet. Let's work this out.
Killing it gives us nothing. It just a way to demonstrate your protest.
So NO from me.
>
> Regardless of your vote above, do you have an interest in the
> creation/resurrection of the power/powerpc port of OpenSolaris
> which was formally named Polaris ?
>
> YES [ ] - let us work together
>
> NO [ ] - no means no. Kill this forever.
YES
>
>
> If you feel YES, we can and should work on a port of OpenSolaris
> to the PowerPC and POWER architectures then do you feel we should
> once again remove this project outside of the Sun Microsystems
> firewalls and get it back out into the community :
>
> YES [ ] - re-open what we had before for example
>
> NO [ ] - no ... let's talk about some other way.
I am not sure how much of it under our control. I mean the things we did in
Subversion repo and the first drop from SunLabs are under CDDL and we
can use it. Although the SunLabs code drop is problematic a bit - while it
is a real progress toward the bootable image little is known about the
origin of that code (I mean what release of Nevada it forked from and what
needs to be done to catch-up). Of course it can (and should) be used
as a source for ideas (it is CDDLed !)
So DUNNO is my answer.
>
> Not a perfect set of questions but we need to at least discuss a few
> things.
And of course if SunLabs team change their minds and decide to
participate in community that would be a really good thing...
--
Regards,
Cyril
