Kalau orang mempertahankan negaranya disebut 'teroris' maka SUkarno
adalah teroris sebagaimana Hatta, Sudirman deelel deesbe...
Kalau seorang agresor disebut pahlawan, maka Hitler adalah pahlawan,
sebagaimana Hirohito dan Mussolini, deelel deesbe...
Kalau orang yang rajin sembahyang disebut fundamentalis, maka Paus
adalah fundamentalis, sebagaimana Imam AL Azahar, Patriarch Kristen
Ortodoks, deelel deesbe...
Udahlah, mikir tuh orang Indonesia yang lagi gontok-gontokan menjelang
pemilihan bupati en gubernur secara langsung...Itu lebih berguna
daripada mikirin si 'semak-semak'
DG
On 5/10/05, ANDREAS MIHARDJA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before discussing in more details - I just want to point to the following
> facts:
> Besides the muslim fundamentalist - the japanese shinto religion also
> honoured suicide. I bet there are more movements even among the christian
> churches that encourage suicide {Jim Jones church]. History of the greek has
> it and many more - incl. Indonesia and calls it revolution..
> The question is, is this still exceptable for a modern world - and the
> answer is of course NOT. Therefore we call this kind of behaviours
> terrorism. But for those committing it, it was and is still honourable. We
> as outsiders could not fully blame these strange mind - unless we know the
> solutions for their fatalistic problems. Most of the "terroris" have a very
> good reason, even if it looks very strange to us. Destroying your own life
> is a very high price
> I do not condone these terroris acts - but to solve it - we cannot always
> used forced - we also have to use education and social reform to counter act
> their way of thinking. Finger pointing does not help and blaming the
> stupidity of fundamentalist teaching is useless.
> Andreas
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> Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> mba..perang ideologi or psy-war..sebenarnya gak tepat direferred
> disini..freedom is absolutely an ideology, it has conquered all and raise
> above all ideologies in the world...but terrorism..do u see it as an
> ideology...? but who have those kinda awful and terrible ideology..? could
> u tell..? so if US with its ideology of freedom against terrorism (i still
> hesitate to mention who have those kinda ideology)..so definitely u could
> see the black and white picture here..right..?:))..i assume..:))
> mba..i wish that James Bond would save the probs.:))...but james bond is
> from British..mba...:)) u could ask British Government to send him..not
> US...it's not on their capacity..:)).
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> "Lina Dahlan"
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> Soal kafir dan mengkafirkan orang lain, saya jengkel juga sama orang-
> orang yang mudah mengatakan kafir sehingga menimbulkan kekerasan.
> Tetapi sekarang saya cuek..kayak Bush gitu... cuek aja mo dibilang
> kafir kek gak kek pokeke niat guwe mesti kesampean...he..he...
>
> kan orang itu punya freedom mo bilang kafir or gak, mereka punya
> kriteria sendiri knp menyebut org lain kafir...jadi biarin
> aja..tanggung masing-masing...:-)
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> kalo Iraq menebarkan kata 'kafir' buat musuh..sah-sah aja, sama
> sahnya pemerintah amerika mengatakan Islam is terorist, wong namanya
> juga 'perang'...perang dalam pemikiran alias 'ghozwul fikri'.
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> Buat kita penonton kan cuma bisa berkomentar sebagai penonton.
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> Kindness apaan yang diberikan AS kepada Iraq? Wong gak ada yang
> minta his kindness kok ge-er pisan...Kalo kindness kan dah ku bilang
> kirim James Bond aja...jadi gak ada korban sipil maupun tentara AS...
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> --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Carla Annamarie
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam
> > yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya
> > dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir...
> > > Mba Lina..now u see the point..., ppl of iraq hates saddam bcs
> his> demonized-rezime, but also hate US for
> being ""kafir""..gosh..it's so> terrible , dont u see..?, kindness
> paid with hatred..., it's like a pattern> in arabs country..., i
> wonder if the Kafir ppl or kafir country has> suffered the same
> thing, does arabs or islamic country will do the same> thing as
> rescue, liberate them, fight for them, sacrificies for them, or
> > even died for them..., i think i doubt that..bcs sacrificies for
> others> that re different or kafir..is not in the heart or in the
> mind of them> (arabs)...bcs it's only hatred they could gives..is it
> a very pitiful thing> to see..?
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> > "Lina
> Dahlan"
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> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
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> > Ada benernya jg fakta-fakta ini, tapi ini tidak dapat dijadikan
> > pembenaran AS menyerang Irak. Itulah kelihaian Amerika menggunakan
> > situasi dan kesempatan. Apakah untuk pemerintahan Amrik ini betul
> > utk 'freedom' suatu negara lain? bukan ada bisnis lain?
> >
> > Maukah mereka berperang demi 'freedom' suatu negara lain tanpa
> > mengambil keuntungan apa-apa?
> >
> > Jelas kalau Kuwait, pemerintahan Kuwait minta tolong ke AS, tapi
> > Irak? Amerika harus buat dalih senjata kimia yang ternyata bullshit
> > utk bisa menyerang Irak? Kalau memang utk freedom, kenapa harus
> > tipu2 buat alibi?
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> > Kalau Amrik hanya mau membunuh Saddam (yg dianggap sbg teroris)
> > kenapa engga kirim aja James Bondnya Amrik ke Iraq?
> >
> > Hanya saja (mungkin) diluar 'dugaan' Amrik adalah adanya 'teroris'
> > yang berjanji akan membuat Iraq menjadi spt Vietnam.
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> > Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam
> > yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya
> > dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir...
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