On Wednesday 23 March 2005 23:30, Rick Pali wrote:
> Yann wrote:
> >Could you please keep this off list.
> >It is way off topic.
>
> It's off topic to discuss how Prime95 runs on various operating systems 

No - except to point out that Prime95 only runs on Windows family OSes, linux 
users will be running mprime or sprime (depending on which libraries they 
have installed) whilst esoteric operating systems must run another LL tester 
altogether.

> and who runs those same operating systems? Allow me to politely disagree.

I think Yann's point was that flaming OSes, in particular a service pack 
specific to one particular version of one operating system, is off topic. And 
I agree except that discussion of whether or not a particular system software 
configuration _might_ prevent an on-topic program from running, or even cause 
system damage, would seem to be spot on topic.

My personal opinion, as a former computer networking security specialist, is 
that Win XP SP2 is the best thing that Microsoft have done in years. Doesn't 
go far enough - Internet Explorer needs to be properly segregated from the OS 
kernel, the firewall should limit outgoing as well as incoming connections 
and there is still far too much potentially dangerous stuff loaded and active 
by default - but it is a significant step forward. Experience of the support 
group at the University I used to work for was that installing SP2 on an XP 
Home/Pro system had little if any impact in terms of user irritation and 
improved rather than reduced system stability. People who are actually 
running public services do need to configure the firewall after installing 
SP2, but hey, they really should be aware that they are letting strangers 
into their domain.

It is probably significant that the prevalence of worm outbreaks has reduced 
greatly since XP SP2 was released; I don't think it likely that this has been 
achieved entirely through user education, nor do I think that malware authors 
have entirely lost interest in automatic propogation (as opposed to relying 
on social engineering click-through attacks, or enticing people to visit web 
sites containing malicious code).

Yann, if you think the above two paragraphs are off topic, I do have sympathy 
with your viewpoint, but I think it is necessary to provide a counterweight 
to what I consider to be unfounded denigration of a most valuable resource 
provided free to users of versions of Windows which have been provided with 
almost all new PC systems for at least two years.

Regards
Brian Beesley
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