Vikas - 

I think I am reading the facts correctly this time - billing and collection agencies 
are not generally "covered entities" under HIPAA.  Generally speaking they handle an 
outsource of patient accounting functions for payors and providers.  They are not 
usually "health care clearinghouses" because they do not typically perform any of the 
"translations" of either standard data to non-standard - instead they process billing 
and insurance follow up data for their clients.

If a billing or collection agency is creating or using PHI on behalf of a provider or 
payor to resolve open patient accounts receivable, it will need to enter into a 
business associate agreement with each of its "covered entity" clients - i.e., plans 
it may work with to recover credit balances or to collect unpaid premiums, or 
providers it may do insurance billing for (usually through a third party 
clearinghouse) or other collections work.

If the billing and collection agency in your example has providers as its client base 
and is billing, rebilling, doing insurance follow up work, outsourced active A/R 
management, day 1 self-pay, or straight third party collections, it will need business 
associate agreements with its covered entity clients the providers.  Continuing the 
thread, when the billing/collection agency interacts with payors, it is doing so as 
the business associate of the provider, not the payor, and needs no business associate 
contract with the payors to whom it submits claims.  In this fact pattern, the 
billing/collection agency is not creating or using PHI on behalf of the payors.

To switch, many billing and collection agencies work the other side of the equation - 
studying credit balances on behalf of payors in the patient accounting systems of 
providers.  Under these facts, with payors as clients, billing/collection agencies are 
creating and using PHI on behalf of the payors and would need BA agreements with their 
payor clients.  Under these facts, no BA agreements with providers would be 
appropriate because in this situation the billing/collection agency is not really 
performing a service for the provider -- rather handles an outsourced accounting 
function (payment under HIPAA) for the payors.

As an FYI, the ACA International, non-profit international trade association of credit 
and collections professionals (www.acainternational.org) has extensive educational 
materials for billing and collections agencies on implementing and understanding 
HIPAA.  Within that trade association there is a "health services program" with 
thousands of billing and collection agency members who only handle outsourced payment 
functions for health care organizations.  You may be interested in some of their 
excellent materials and programs.

Is this helpful?  Other reactions?  I think I have my facts together today.

Leslie

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Vikas Budhiraja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:08:17 -0400

>Thanks for everyone's comments. To clarify the entity in question is a
>Billing & Collection Agency. So it has only provider clients. Based on
>everyone's input I conclude that this CE would not need any BA agreements
>with the payors to whom it submits claims. However, it would need BA
>agreements with its providers as the CE is the BA of the provider. Is that
>correct?
>
>Regards,
>Vikas
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leslie C. Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:54 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jamelle T. Magee
>Subject: RE: A Question about Business Associate Agreements
>
>
>Are we all working from the same original facts?  I read the original post
>to say that one entity, a clearinghouse/billingagency/collection agency, was
>in the vortex of a series of transactions and wanted to know if it needed BA
>agreements with providers and payors that it found itself in the middle
>of -- not that there were 3 separate companies.  I apologize if I
>misinterpreted the back slashes in the post -- but I didn't see the question
>as 3 separate entities asking if each fit the BA definition and how..
>
>Clearly a collection agency working for a payer needs no BA agreement with a
>provider (that isn't its client) and the converse is true as well.
>Similarly a medical billing company working for a provider is its BA -- but
>is not a payor's BA because it handles an outsource of the provider's
>insurance billing and follow up functions (which equate to "payment" in
>HIPAA).
>
>To me the results change if you have one entity interchangeably being
>clearinghouse/billing company/collection agency -- performing multiple tasks
>through one corporate entity for the same group of provider and payor
>clients (e.g., it isn't a hybrid, doesn't have separate corporate
>affiliates...)
>
>Leslie Bender
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Jamelle T. Magee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date:  Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:59:30 -0400
>
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>>WE know that a BA relationship exists b/t provider and clearinghouse and
>>no BA relationship exists b/t provider and health plan, per regs.  I
>>believe that like the provider, no BA relationship would exist b/t the
>>clearinghouse and the health plan.  However, I have been known to be
>>conservative when designating BAs.  What's your reasoning Leslie?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Jamelle
>>
>>Jamelle T. Magee, JD
>>
>>Privacy Officer
>>
>>UNC Chapel Hill Student Health Service
>>
>>v. 919.843.2584
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