I'm not sure you're capable of reason.
________________________________ From: geoff <data...@adam.com.au> To: 'ProFox Email List' <profox@leafe.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:09 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? That is hardly evidence. Our healthcare system is vastly better than yours and our percapita income is a little less than yours. Care to try again? -----Original Message----- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? Anybody who believes Cubans have a better healthcare system, in a country with a per capita GDP of $9800, is a flaming retard. ________________________________ From: geoff <data...@adam.com.au> To: 'ProFox Email List' <profox@leafe.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? And perhaps the real problem here is that your credibility on many issues is so low that when someone claims something and you disagree, you automatically grant your opponent a degree of credibility. and your health system still sucks. Most people seem to understand that already.... -----Original Message----- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 4:23 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? Only a moron would think Cuba has a better system. This is your typical Cuban hospital, not one that the ruling elites use http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuban_hospital.jpg ________________________________ From: geoff <data...@adam.com.au> To: 'ProFox Email List' <profox@leafe.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? And you think USA has a wonderful health system so that dispenses with your opinion as well. Perhaps what moore was saying that if Cuba has a better system than USA then how bad is that? and while you love to hate australia... our health system is great and yours sucks -----Original Message----- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 3:44 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? Michael Moore would have his viewers believe that Cuba has a wonderful medical system, it's just not so. ________________________________ From: Christina Bull <t...@datahouse.com.au> To: 'ProFox Email List' <profox@leafe.com> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? I applaud the simple truth spoken by Geoff, and I highly recommend that you watch Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko", Pete. I couldn't believe how stuffed up your healthcare system was after watching that and I am so grateful to live in the lucky country. EVERY time I take any of my five children to see a General Practitioner, I pay nothing - the national health system, Medicare, covers it. This is up until they turn 16. I too pay a monthly fee for private insurance (a bit less than Geoff, but it still covers the whole family for most specialists). This pays most my costs for any specialist appointments required or hospital stays, I pay a small "out of pocket" expense whenever we use the service. I was able to choose which private hospital I would like to give birth in - for each one of my children - and I was able to stay a private room in that hospital for up to 7 days if I wanted to - or I could have used the public system, paid nothing and had 2 days in a shared ward. I chose private because I could... and hell, they even had wine as an option on the hospital menu for dinner time! Australia's health system is one of the best in the world. I received a voucher in the mail just yesterday from Medicare for $167.50. This is to be used for the "Teen Dental Plan" - My son has just had a birthday and now Medicare will pay for a special teen dental check for him. If he needs braces, private healthcare will cover most of it. $5000 per day for any kind of medical treatment?? To an Australian, that just makes no sense. For that price, we'd expect the treatment to deliver a HELL of a lot of extra benefits ... car washing, coffee making, house cleaning, babysitting, orgasms, investment advice, timeshare holidays... Christina Bull DataHouse 0414 576 453 www.datahouse.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Pete Theisen [mailto:petethei...@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012 11:06 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Oz insurers as full-of-it as US insurers? geoff wrote: > Yes, our prices tend to be higher here although it could also said > that as a nation we tend to not run deficits and govt debt for > extended periods of time which means our economy doesn't crash like > Europe and USA. That means we pay taxes enough to cover expenses etc > so the higher prices should be kept in context of a sustainable > economy. Also keep in mind that the exchange rate is currently at > record highs meaning prices here are (in$US) 30-40% more than > traditional. That makes it a problem for visitors - not locals. > > and healthcare??? are you kidding? are you not aware that USA has the > most expensive healthcare in the world by an enormous margin? our > hospital charges are 1/3 - 1/4 of yours and our medications are even > cheaper. I don't know what your healthcare system does but whatever it > is - don't export it. > I pay $300/month for full health coverage australia-wide. If I chose > to not pay anything the national health service would pick it up. > Private health means (generally) no waiting lists and a higher > standard of hospital accomodation etc. It's not a bad deal at all. Hi Geoff, The intriguing question is: How can your healthcare be less expensive than ours while your general price level is higher? My friend was a visitor. She coped by not buying anything she could do without. > geoff wrote: >> Talk about missing the point... the insurance company may be playing >> the usual games but the medical bills are $5000 per DAY which >> excludes the costs of doctors! THERE is your problem - a health >> system that is so unbelievably expensive. It is not uncommon for >> australian medical insurers to pay the >> $70,000 cost of a medical evac flight to retrieve seriously injured >> aussies because it is ultimately cheaper than letting the US treat >> them at such exorbitant cost. In the end AAMI will end up covering >> the cost and undoubtedly will send an evac team. > In the end? How long will they jack them around until they finally > pick up their obligation? > > I am very surprised to hear that health care is any less expensive in > Oz. My friend just returned from there and she said that she was > shocked at how high the prices were in Australian stores. > >> http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/04/09/baby-unexpected-birth-in-us- >> l >> eaves- >> australian-family-facing-1m-medical-bill/undefined?intcmp=obnetwork >> >> She had insurance, but they suddenly consider pregnancy a >> "pre-existing condition" if they actually get a bill. You have "full >> coverage" if you don't need it, however. >> >> You only *think* you have insurance. What you have is a non-entity >> that you have to pay for. > -- > Rega[excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1336461640.67525.yahoomail...@web125603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
