Gil.

I'm dumbfounded!!! (?sp). I knew people like you existed somewhere in this
universe. 

I'm happy to see you are one of those ;) but here in the ProFox part of the
universe. 

Does the word integrity ring a bell? <smile> 

You're the man!

Oh, yea, good luck Whil. :) 

Pablo
Value persons above all, not things. 
Valora personas sobre todo, no cosas.
Peace! *** Paz!
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*  -----Original Message-----
*  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale
*  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:29 PM
*  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*  Subject: RE: [NF] How do you tell when a 'softie marketing 
*  droid is lying...
*  
*  Back in the Good Old Days (1978-1991 for me) I worked at a 
*  Ford dealership as a Tune-Up, electrical, Emission Control 
*  (California), and electronic and Electronic Engine Control 
*  systems technician.  I worked on all the newer stuff that 
*  scared the old guys.  Once I had a car that came in to "have 
*  the battery, alternator and regulator replaced".. I pull the 
*  car into my stall and see the battery, alternator and 
*  regulator all are new, and Ford branded, not a Mickey Mouse 
*  back yard rebuild parts or El Cheapo half-assed golf cart 
*  battery crap.  I call the customer myself (can't trust those 
*  Service Advisors to understand shit like this), and find out 
*  he had the car to several repair shops and a few other 
*  Lincoln and Ford stores in the area.
*  Every 2-3 days his battery would be dead.  Hell, even the 
*  starter was replaced, and a Constant Voltage Regulator for 
*  the instrument panel!  Jeez, this is scary being able to 
*  remember those details!!!  Anyway.....
*  
*  So, I begin to quiz him a bit, and he has already done the 
*  fire drill re:
*  the doors all being closed and the interior dome light being 
*  off.  I went back to the car and connected an meter to 
*  measure amperage draw on the vehicle, which should have been 
*  almost nothing other than its electric clock with the engine 
*  off (I popped the clock fuse out so the draw really ought to 
*  have been nothing).  Lo and Behold, I am seeing about 1 1/2 
*  amps being drawn, enough to kill a battery in about a day or 
*  so.  I started to remove fuses until I found the offending 
*  circuit.  I looked at the wiring schematic, and found the 
*  one item on that circuit that could maybe cause the problem 
*  was the trunk light.  I open the trunk and see it is a 
*  mercury switch system.  So I plug in all the fuses, get my 1 
*  1/2 amp draw to appear and unplugged the bulb in the trunk.  
*  The drain stopped!  It was a simple mercury switch someone 
*  has jarred into a position that let the mercury run over the 
*  internal contacts when the trunk was closed and illuminate the bulb
*  24 x 7!
*  
*  Here this poor bastard had spent several hundred dollars on 
*  needless parts and labor to fix a problem, to includes all 
*  the failed new parts <g>, and I happened to get lucky enough 
*  to be able to track the cause down to that little item.  One 
*  quick push on the mercury switch mounting strap and the 
*  problem was solved.  So, from that day forward, part of my 
*  revised electrical charging system diagnostic steps included 
*  doing an Ignition Off amperage draw test to make certain 
*  nothing other than an electrical clock was drawing current.
*  
*  So, what does this have to do with Whil's problem?  Maybe 
*  nothing, but worth checking out.  Good luck!
*  
*  Gil
*  
*  > -----Original Message-----
*  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil 
*  Hentzen (Pro*)
*  > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:43 PM
*  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*  > Subject: Re: [NF] How do you tell when a 'softie marketing 
*  droid is 
*  > lying...
*  >
*  >
*  > Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
*  > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
*  > >
*  > >>> and changing the bandage on my 2 year old head wound,
*  > >>         Wow, it hasn't healed in 2 years? You might 
*  want to have a doctor 
*  > >> look at it!
*  > >
*  > > No, you all got it wrong: it is the wound on his 
*  2-year-old head. 
*  > > His original head is all used up. I an rapidly 
*  approaching "all used up"
*  >
*  > No shit! Ken, you've hit the nail on the head. My new 
*  head, too, and boy
*  >   are my arms tired....
*  >
*  > Case in point - car wouldn't start a week ago. This 
*  happens to me a 
*  > couple times a year, usually because I leave a door ajar, 
*  battery has 
*  > been dying, so I replaced it this summer.
*  >
*  > OK, either me or one of the kids left the door ajar again, 
*  so I jump 
*  > the battery, run it for a half hour, good as new.
*  >
*  > Two days later I get in the car; battery is dead again. 
*  Figure it's a 
*  > short in the electrical system, maybe the starter. I 
*  thought maybe I 
*  > should jump it again, just to see, but somehow I don't connect the 
*  > thought to an actual action. It also occurred to me that I should 
*  > check all the doors, the dome light, anything else that might have 
*  > been left on and after two days would have drained the battery.
*  >
*  > But again, the thought and the action don't connect. Head 
*  is all used up.
*  >
*  > Whil



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