Charlie Coleman wrote: > At 07:57 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > ... >>>> Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'? >>>> So if there's nothing you can do to get it, then there's nothing you can >>>> do to refuse it. Or do you question god's omnipotence? >>> ... >>> >>> I don't recall saying that. I've been saying things like we can't save >>> ourselves only God's grace can do that. Is that clearer? >> Then it follows that also God's grace can save us, no matter what, god >> has that power. Or do you deny god's power? > > Nope. I don't deny it. I just think God has told us that He is not going to > do that. I think my other posts have already clarified this. >
Please, where in the bible does he say that? > >>> God gave us free will. So we make choices all the time. The most critical >>> choice, IMO, is whether or not to accept that we cannot obtain our own >>> salvation. E.g. we can't work it off, we can't buy it off, we can't >>> "intellectualize" it, etc. We have to accept God's grace, personally. >>> >>> So I don't deny God's Omnipotence, but I do think He uses it where He >>> wants. So maybe He will bring all souls to Him in the end, I don't know. >>> All I know is His words while He was here on Earth say that is not how >> it's >>> going to be. >> Well now you blew it man. He didn't speak, Jesus did all the talking and >> claimed that it was his "father's" way. > > Well, it's my understanding that Christian belief is that Christ is God. So > whatever He spoke, taught, etc was what God wanted us to hear. > I thought he was the 'son' of god. He kept talking about 'my father'. Maybe he was like some football (soccer) players around here who always talk about themselves in the third person. _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
