> >> Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory?
> > 
> > 
> > There will be no 'victory'. That was the wrong frame of reference
all 
> > along.
> > 
> > If you really want an answer, then change the frame of reference and

> > talk about pursuing justice, not victory, and then finally we can
make 
> > some progress.


> Justice is self determination. Or do you disagree with your 
> patriots who fought the Brits?


Ricardo, no offense intended, but I think that's more of a knee-jerk
response then you're capable of.

Here's a one page essay where "Plato is able to achieve an answer to the
question, what is justice" that I'd ask you to consider:
http://www.freeessays.cc/db/18/eft49.shtml



Bill







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