No one stopping that windbag from sending more money to the treasury. Let him put his money where his mouth is.
************************************************* Barack Obama Antichrist gear http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Helio Wakasugui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Helio Wakasugui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] Obama's redistribution plan at work > To: "ProFox Email List" <profox@leafe.com> > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:10 PM > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/oct/31/usnews > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Larry Miller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > The top 2-3% are already paying close to 50% of the > taxes. How much do the > > greedy and selfish 97% want from them? If you have > ever spent time around a > > wide range of people you will find that some of the > poorest are the most > > mercenary. > > > > Beyond that, we ALL benefit from a safe and secure > country and we only > > appreciate what we pay for ourselves. This is why > those on the bottom > > levels of income can only whine about this country. > > > > Larry Miller > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA > > To: ProFox Email List > > Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:33:33 +0000 (UTC) > > Subject: Re: [OT] Obama's redistribution plan at > work > > > > How long do you think those with the highest income > would continue to > > thrive in a country that did not have a strong > military, a supreme court > > and justice system, a stable economy, law and order, > and all the other > > services government provides? Those with the highest > income, or those > > with a background coning from the wealthiest > dynasties, have a lot more > > to lose than the average citizen, should government > fail, or God forbid, > > fall in revolt, revolution, or war, from within or > outside the USA, and > > a guy living on the streets could care less, so yes, > those who have most > > should contribute most to the system. As the bible > says, "To whom much > > is given, much is expected. - Luke 12:48". > > > > Its time for the top 2% of the country to stop being > so selfish and > > greedy, and start putting more back into the system. > It's time to put > > country, and the American people, ahead of self, (eg > selfish and greedy > > come to mind here). > > > > Regards, > > > > LelandJ > > > > > > > > Larry Miller wrote: > > > The progressive tax system has served the tax > lawyers and accountants > > well, as well as the members of congress who hold the > keys to selecting > > winners and loosers in the system. Beyond that, I > would beg to differ that > > those with more income get more from the govt. Those > paying the least in > > taxes are riding free on all kinds of benefits that > those with greater > > income don't get. Hence, just the idea of a > progressive income tax is a > > redistributionist plan. > > > > > > Larry Miller > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA > > > To: ProFox Email List > > > Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:08:21 +0000 (UTC) > > > Subject: Re: [OT] Obama's redistribution plan > at work > > > > > > A progressive income tax is not really giving my > money away to someone > > > else. Its about how much each person pays in > income tax for government > > > services received. Under a progressive income > tax, the greater my > > > income, the greater my contribution to the > government, but then the > > > greater my income, the greater the value of the > government services I > > > receive. This is only fair; since, the > wealthiest individual receive > > > more benefits from the government, than say > someone working for a > > > minimum wage that really doesn't have that > much to lose. > > > > > > I've heard a lot of bitching and complaining > about how complex and > > > taxing the current system is with many calling > for a flat tax where > > > everybody pay a flat percentage of their income > to Uncle Sam. The > > > amount of tax paid under a flat tax increases as > the income level of the > > > individual increases, but the rate of tax remain > the same based on the > > > tax as a percentage of income. Well, let's > really make thing simple and > > > have everyone pay a flat $1,000 tax; period. Now > wouldn't that be > > > simple. There wouldn't even be a need to > file an income tax return; > > > since, the amount of income a person earned would > not be relevant to the > > > tax calculation. Under such a tax, the homeless > guy who has zero income > > > and Bill Gates who earns billions would both be > required to pay $1,000 > > > in taxes. With something over 300 million > people in the USA, this > > > would theoretically bring in about 3 trillion in > tax revenue each year. > > > See how simple it gets. However, is a flat > amount tax fair? I'll > > > answer my own question. It's not only > unfair, it not a viable system > > > and would quickly wreck our economy. > > > > > > Although a flat rate tax as a percentage of > income is not as extreme as > > > a flat amount tax, they are both unfair and > difficult to administer; > > > because, people in different income level have > very different needs. I > > > suppose an entire book could be written on this > subject, including the > > > concept of diminishing return as it applies to > income level, but I don't > > > have time to get into that today, but saying > Senator Obama's tax plan is > > > a tax give of anyones income by government > distribution is not true. > > > > > > The progressive tax system in the USA has served > Americans well over > > > many, many, year, so why change a good thing. > The Bush Administration > > > change in tax policy adversely affected the USA > economy to the point > > > that America is now in a recession, and the Bush > tax changes resulted in > > > a economic stimulus package to returned millions > of income tax dollars > > > back to the American people, so they had enough > reward in the GDP to > > > participate by consuming some of the products > they labored so hard to > > > produce. Remember, the American consumer helps > drive the economy, and > > > helps to create the wealth held in the hand of > big Corporations, > > > management, and super wealthy individuals, and > the bulk of consumption > > > of good is service takes place by middle income > folks. LOL Senator > > > Obama's suggested tax policy is just to > return the tax system back to a > > > point where it is balanced and functioning again. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > LelandJ > > > > > > > > > > > > John wrote: > > > > > >> No kidding today on my way to lunch I passed > a homeless guy with a sign > > that > > >> read 'Vote Obama, I need the money.' > I laughed. > > >> I got into the restaurant and again no > kidding my server had on a 'Obama > > 08' > > >> tie, again I laughed as he had given away his > political preference--just > > >> imagine the coincidence. > > >> When the bill came I decided not to tip the > server and explained to him > > that > > >> I was exploring the Obama redistribution of > wealth concept. He stood > > there > > >> in > > >> disbelief while I told him that I was going > to redistribute his tip to > > >> someone who I deemed more in need--the > homeless guy outside. The server > > >> angrily stormed from my sight. > > >> I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and > told him to thank the > > server > > >> inside as I 've decided he could use the > money more. The homeless guy > > was > > >> grateful. > > >> At the end of my rather unscientific > redistribution experiment I > > realized > > >> the homeless guy was grateful for the money > he did not earn, but the > > waiter > > >> was pretty angry that I gave away the money > he did earn even though the > > >> actual recipient needed money more. > > >> I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier > thing to swallow in > > concept > > >> than in practical application. > > >> > > >> You might try this experiment yourself > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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