Perhaps you don’t know enough about God and grace and the whole wide scheme of 
things to truly understand Him. You are viewing things from a very narrow 
perspective. Perhaps you should research it some.

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Ricardo Aráoz
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Geoff Flight wrote:
> We judge murderers and rapists. Is that wrong. God 'judges' us for our 
> misdeeds and that is wrong?
>   
Absolutely yes! If HE is responsible for the situation and he judges us
then he is a hypocrite. I accept to be judged by my pairs. But to be
judged by he who is responsible for the whole mess is too much. I am
willing to face the consequences of every deed and every word, but I
don't want to see him on a high bench with a wig, he belongs at my side,
he is as responsible as I am (IF he exists).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Monday, 2 February 2009 12:29 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Chaves warms to Obama after character reference from Castro
>
> Geoff Flight wrote:
>   
>> That’s in the realm of psychology and pseudo sciences that try and answer 
>> inponderables like that. Where do peoples choices come from? Excluding 
>> socio-paths and those who are deeply disturbed, the rest of us choose on the 
>> basis of many things, conscience, society, nature, nurture etc.
>>     
> Summing it up, Nature or Nurture. Do we agree?
>
>   
>>  It just sounds like you are looking for an excuse for bad behavior. 
>> Ultimately we are still responsible for the sum of our actions (excluding 
>> the genuinely insane)
>>   
>>     
> No, not at all. Even if there is an excuse for bad behaviour you are
> still responsible for your actions. Look at the word, it means to
> respond, to face the consequences.  And we all face the consequences,
> whether we like it or not. The difference is that a man will now there
> is a price, and he'll pay the piper cash and in time. What I am aiming
> at, is that if this god exists, then he has no business judging us, his
> responsibility is far larger than ours (and no, I'm not refusing to pay
> my ticket).
>   



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