> What pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a natural > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the parents > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting points > towards... > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born > subject".
The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a citizen is, etc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is a mess. His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was a citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen on some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd like to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia? The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school records and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and defending them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short form suffices to prove his eligibility. The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud... but all his vital records are sealed. Why? > > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from > the > most unpopular president for many decades. I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of paternity may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started out technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious thing. If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits from so many different sources in so many municipalities across the country challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main reason for the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather lack of standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that made it past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26, 2010, in a California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to quash, because discovery could open up the documents that are for some reason sealed. If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be fighting attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their declaration was made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such determinations public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at this point. If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form birth certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what citizenship he CLAIMED as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the university) and be done with it. But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an executive order on day 2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records. And then there's the fact the DNC notarized 2 different versions of the nomination letter---one with language regarding eligibility, the other without...the latter being what got filed with the states. Why is that? And to make matters juicier, it is now established by credible sources what Jack Cashill discovered by various methods of literary investigation, namely, that Bill Ayers was indeed on some level a MAJOR contributor to the writing of Dreams. This directly contradicts Obama's claim to have written every word himself, and has implications that go way beyond the usual stigma of needing a ghost writer, given who and what Ayers is, and what he's claimed in the past about his relationship with him. There is something very false and plainly deceptive about this guy you all think is some political savior. And possibly very dangerous, and not just for America. Also, consider what our Founders believed about the threat of foreign plots to infiltrate our politics. Federalist Paper #59 concludes with these instructive words: "It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country, under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful and vigilant performance of the trust." I believe we will regret entrusting it to Obama, and when it's all done, he'll be even less popular than George Bush, who is already looking like a fiscal tight-wad and supernaturally tolerant of criticism by comparison. - Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Calco > Sent: 14 October 2009 19:17 > To: 'ProFox Email List' > Subject: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes > > http://bit.ly/8LOVs > > - - - > The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it > used to > declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very > interesting, > considering Obama's Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack > Obama > Jr > is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his > parentage. > > Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600's is not, was > not, > and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where > Barack > Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could > have > been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. > itself, > and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama's parentage > remains > the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen. > > There is absolutely no doubt. > > There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama. > He > and > those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of > Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every > treaty > signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight. > > This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with. > The > United States does not have a constitutional government. > > This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing things through > as > fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case of the > Senate > even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it becomes public > knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their fraud upon > America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get anything done. > Rightly so. > > This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of Watergate. This > time, > it won't be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will also be the > DNC > Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation microscope for > the > cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand. > > This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can to keep > people > focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate. He would > rather > people be thinking about where he was born rather than the citizenship > that > was conferred upon him by his British father. > - - - > > The letters she quotes earlier in the article from the state of Hawaii > were, > to say the least, eye opening. They clearly don't want to explain the > basis > for their declaration, at all. > > Gets curiouser and curiouser all the time. > > The only way it could work out that he's a Natural Born US citizen is > if > his > father -- as I hypothesize in this case -- is actually Frank Marshall > Davis. > > http://bit.ly/224zI2 > > > - Bob > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/039101ca4d95$6f396a20$4dac3e...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
