I agree.

But you sell yourself short: your advice is worth its weight in gold.  :)

Henry Rich

On 1/20/2016 3:24 PM, Roger Hui wrote:
My free advice is to avoid the term "empty frame".  Too easily confused
with the case where the frame (outer shape) has a 0.

The phrase arose in the milieu where "empty array" was all the rage.
  "Empty frame" made sense when a frame was the axes of an array left over
after you've accounted for the cell.  Then the meaning of "frame" was
changed to be the outer shape, but the meaning of "empty frame" was not
similarly updated.

My free advice is worth every penny.




On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:54 AM, robert therriault <[email protected]>
wrote:

Yep and it would have an empty frame, correct?

One of the big challenges of being human is to be able to turn down the
pattern matching skills, so that patterns that do emerge are accurate. You
see item and atom and you think - Are those related because they differ by
one letter? Sometimes it helps, sometimes not so much.

Cheers, bob

On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

I think the maximal cell would be the entire array?

Thanks,

--
Raul


On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM, robert therriault
<[email protected]> wrote:
Raul

I took the non-trivial note on maximal to mean that there could be more
than one item in the cell. Maximal would be the entire cell. It does leave
the possibility that atoms could also be items though :-)
Cheers, bob

On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]>
wrote:
I thought arrays could hold multiple items? (# counts items?)

Thanks,

--
Raul


On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:17 PM, R.E. Boss <[email protected]>
wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Programming [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Roger Hui
Sent: maandag 18 januari 2016 20:36
To: Programming forum <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Definition: Frame of an argument

Among old timers, "frame" has an historical ambiguity.
(...)
To document
the latter, Dyalog resurrected "outer shape".  Dyalog also
resurrected
"major cell" because "item" already has an entrenched different
meaning in
the APL2 family.
I always loved the analogy between "atom" and "item", short for the
minimal and maximal (non-trivial) cell.

R.E. Boss
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