I am trying to write to users at the earnest-tire-kicker level and
above: someone who has decided that J is worth a look and is deciding
whether it's worth putting serious time into. [This is the same level
of user that we aimed the first section of the NuVoc pages at].
If you're trying to understand a sentence I wrote, and after 5 minutes
you still can't get it, that would be a good candidate for more words
from me.
Henry Rich
On 8/5/2023 4:20 PM, More Rice wrote:
[Henry] IF YOU ARE NEW TO J, you are the person I need to hear from.
Where do I
need to add explanatory material, or rewrite a section?
Oh hey. I qualify for this one. :)
Thank you for starting & sharing this.
One thing I want to bring up - What are your reader's J prerequisites? It
is well known the way a master organizes their specialized skill in their
mind is different from newcomers. They knew all the idioms, phrases, what
works and what doesn't ... it is easy to skip all the roadblocks/landmines
for newcomers and just talk about the final answer in its full glory. (Not
that I'm complaining.) That's why I really appreciate you took the time to
show us how you debug CalorieCounting using J. (I've been using my xxd.)
I also find Jan-Pieter's page organization super easy to follow.
Many thanks to you all.
Maurice
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 9:37 AM Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. J can be used at different levels of sophistication and
commitment. Any solution is welcome as long as it's clearly explained.
This feature is aimed at obstacles to new use of J:
* 'No one can read that!' Which is like saying no one can read music,
an excuse for not trying. The remedy is to learn to read. Simple
examples help.
* 'My job doesn't use J.' Still, wouldn't you like a language that gets
answers fast, perhaps for prototyping?
* 'It's too different.' That's the real problem. We /do/ think
differently in J. The pages here should show your state of mind as you
code, thinking about the whole problem rather than atoms.
These pages are not about showing off a brilliant solution, but about
how you came to the solution.
Henry Rich
On 8/5/2023 3:06 AM, 'Rob Hodgkinson' via Programming wrote:
Yes, of course, please contribute. Like Jan-Pieter you could provide a
little background in the Preamble to explain.
Your experience may be invaluable to people less experienced with J (or
even more !!).
On 5 Aug 2023, at 4:59 pm, Luke D <lukedelacru...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a number of solutions for the easier PE problems I can add (I
also
have AoC solutions for various years). However, I have only been using J
for 3 years, so am I invited to contribute?
Best Regards,
Luke De La Cruz
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:27 PM Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have enjoyed reading your solutions. It's great to see the language
used for somewhat realistic problems.
Will those of you with Project Euler solutions step up and showcase
your
J? Just add to the ShareMyScreen page.
Henry Rich
On 8/4/2023 9:31 AM, Jan-Pieter Jacobs wrote:
I've been working on putting my solutions for the first 5 AoC days at
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/ShareMyScreen#by_Jan-Pieter_Jacobs
Any feedback would be appreciated, and if I don't get any, I'll just
assume
I'm doing great job and continue as is ;).
As a side note: does anyone have code for downloading inputs
directly? I
know it's possible, as there's a python package for that, but I
wouldn't
know how to get httpget to use the authentication cookie from the
website.
Jan-Pieter
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023, 11:55 Henry Rich, <henryhr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Since these are personal explanations of the programming
thought-process, I think it's proper that they be grouped by author
within each subject. I will put my name on my AoC contributions.
Jan-Pieter, you can create a section for yours.
Project Euler is widely known and annotated solutions would be just
the
sort of thing I was looking for with this page. The annotation is
what
the page is about: if you have a one-line solution you should expect
to
take 20-80 lines of text explaining it and building it up with
examples. Writing the answer up will take quite a bit longer than
coming up with the solution!
Henry Rich
On 6/2/2023 6:51 PM, 'Viktor Grigorov' via Programming wrote:
I'd agree that examples are great, e.g., Rosetta Code is a great
compendium of programming language equiproblem solution comparisons.
A
comma-delimited listing of would be too much, as there aren't that
many
J
active users, at least judging from the names I've seen past 2 years
on
the
general and programming mailing list.
Consider a table. Heading rows would be links to problems in
ascending
order from advent of code (or projecteuler.net, or leetcode, ...).
Heading columns would be solution-contributing users' links (if such
exist
on the jwiki). Cell would be either inline code hidden in a summary
tag
(in
HTML, or whatever wikis' equivalent of that is) or link to location
of
those users' solutions, properly identified (id='...') to be more
navigable
to-and-fro san scrolling. Inlining would be hellish on rendition, so
probably not.
I can contribute 45 projecteuler not great one-liners for whatever
that's worth.
Jun 2, 2023, 22:32 by janpieter.jac...@gmail.com:
Great initiative, Henry.
I'm considering gradually adding my versions.
How do you think it's best to structure this? One section per
person
with a
list of pages for each problem, or put solutions of different
persons
close
to each other?
My solutions are still a work in progress, though; currently
solving
day 19.
Cheers,
Jan-Pieter
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 5:01 PM Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
How do you convince someone that J is really different? Examples
seem
contrived.
I am trying something new. I have used J to solve a suite of
programming problems posed by an impartial source, to wit Advent
of
Code
2022. Tire-kickers can compare the J solutions against those in
other
languages.
The pages are at https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/ShareMyScreen .
IF YOU ARE NEW TO J, you are the person I need to hear from. Where
do I
need to add explanatory material, or rewrite a section?
IF YOU ARE AN OLD J HAND, consider adding your own programs. They
can
be from any source as long as you make the solution comprehensible
to a
novice.
I know several users on this list solved the AoC2022 problems;
alternative solution pages would be welcome.
Henry Rich
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