> and in this regard they stand out, because despite their new > pronunciation (presumed, not specified, yes?), ...
http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/APLDictionary.htm A Dictionary of APL, 1987, Section II, Grammar. A name assigned to a noun will be called a _pronoun_, and one assigned to a verb may be called a _proverb_ (pronounced with a long o as in “pronoun” to distinguish it from the existing English word). ----- Original Message ----- From: PMA <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 17:27 Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] One word description of J To: Programming forum <[email protected]> > I realize I should have noted re "proverb" ("ambivalence" too) > that these are not simply old words with new meaning -- like > the others mentioned and a zillion more examples, J or no J, > that occur every day -- but new *words*, because they are > pronounced differently from their antecedents. > > and in this regard they stand out, because despite their new > pronunciation (presumed, not specified, yes?), their spelling > remains unchanged. rings forced to me -- but, I'll admit, not > to the extent that I'd want to change J's "proverb". > > > Dan T. Abell wrote: > > long 'o', fer sure! > > also, I stress the *third* syllable in ambivalent > > > > On 8 Jun 2011, at 05:58, PMA wrote: > > > >> I've never doubted his awareness of it. How about > >> pronunciation in this case -- do you folks speak the > >> J term with a long 'o' (as I would assume from its > >> derivation)? > >> > >> Roger Hui wrote: > >>> Ken was well aware of the existing meaning > >>> of "proverb" when he coined the new meaning for > >>> it in J. He was not one to let existing meanings > >>> stand in the way if the new meaning is apt. > >>> e.g. noun, verb, adverb, valence, ambivalence, > >>> locale, inflection, rank, ... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: PMA<[email protected]> > >>> Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 18:02 > >>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] One word description of J > >>> To: Programming forum<[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> This reminds me to ask: When the J term "proverb" was invented > >>>> (derived via grammatical logic from the existing > "pronoun"), what > >>>> thought was given to the result's pre-existence in the language > >>>> as meaning something *else*? > >>>> > >>>> P.A. > >>>> > >>>> [email protected] wrote: > >>>>> I think that the word "feral" has negative and destructive > >>>>> connotations. Not a word to use if you want to promote > >>>> the use of J > >>>>> to a manager. > >>>>> > >>>>> Surely we need a word that indicates incredible usefulness or > >>>>> competence. How about "dextrous" or "omnidextrous". > >>>>> > >>>>> Simon > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Quoting John Baker<[email protected]>: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I've been thinking about what's a good single word > >>>> description of J. > >>>>>> Something that suggests the > important features of > >>>> the language and conveys > >>>>>> the spirit of J programming. I offer the word: > >>>> feral. Here's a footnote I > >>>>>> recently added to the upcoming JOD 0.9.3 documentation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Coming up with an accurate description of J is a challenge. > >>>> The language is > >>>>>> definitely array oriented and contains an almost pure > functional>>>>>> tacit sub-language. However J also contains > substantial>>>> imperative features > >>>>>> and its clever use of locales and locale paths simulates most > >>>> of the useful > >>>>>> features of object oriented languages. Waving your hands and > >>>> declaring a > >>>>>> language multi-paradigm or agile is the standard way out but > >>>> unfortunately>> this does not distinguish J. I > think J is a > >>>> *feral* programming language. > >>>>>> The word feral sounds like a mixture of functional and > >>>> imperative and the > >>>>>> established meaning of feral: almost wild, wilily, able to > >>>> survive on your > >>>>>> own but willing to cooperate – on your own terms - conveys > >>>> the independent > >>>>>> free thinking character of J programmers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
