Ah -- thanks, I recall my rant.
Roger Hui wrote: >> and in this regard they stand out, because despite their new >> pronunciation (presumed, not specified, yes?), ... > > http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/APLDictionary.htm > A Dictionary of APL, 1987, Section II, Grammar. > > A name assigned to a noun will be called a _pronoun_, > and one assigned to a verb may be called a _proverb_ > (pronounced with a long o as in “pronoun” to distinguish > it from the existing English word). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PMA<[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 17:27 > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] One word description of J > To: Programming forum<[email protected]> > >> I realize I should have noted re "proverb" ("ambivalence" too) >> that these are not simply old words with new meaning -- like >> the others mentioned and a zillion more examples, J or no J, >> that occur every day -- but new *words*, because they are >> pronounced differently from their antecedents. >> >> and in this regard they stand out, because despite their new >> pronunciation (presumed, not specified, yes?), their spelling >> remains unchanged. rings forced to me -- but, I'll admit, not >> to the extent that I'd want to change J's "proverb". >> >> >> Dan T. Abell wrote: >>> long 'o', fer sure! >>> also, I stress the *third* syllable in ambivalent >>> >>> On 8 Jun 2011, at 05:58, PMA wrote: >>> >>>> I've never doubted his awareness of it. How about >>>> pronunciation in this case -- do you folks speak the >>>> J term with a long 'o' (as I would assume from its >>>> derivation)? >>>> >>>> Roger Hui wrote: >>>>> Ken was well aware of the existing meaning >>>>> of "proverb" when he coined the new meaning for >>>>> it in J. He was not one to let existing meanings >>>>> stand in the way if the new meaning is apt. >>>>> e.g. noun, verb, adverb, valence, ambivalence, >>>>> locale, inflection, rank, ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: PMA<[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 18:02 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] One word description of J >>>>> To: Programming forum<[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> This reminds me to ask: When the J term "proverb" was invented >>>>>> (derived via grammatical logic from the existing >> "pronoun"), what >>>>>> thought was given to the result's pre-existence in the language >>>>>> as meaning something *else*? >>>>>> >>>>>> P.A. >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> I think that the word "feral" has negative and destructive >>>>>>> connotations. Not a word to use if you want to promote >>>>>> the use of J >>>>>>> to a manager. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surely we need a word that indicates incredible usefulness or >>>>>>> competence. How about "dextrous" or "omnidextrous". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting John Baker<[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been thinking about what's a good single word >>>>>> description of J. >>>>>>>> Something that suggests the >> important features of >>>>>> the language and conveys >>>>>>>> the spirit of J programming. I offer the word: >>>>>> feral. Here's a footnote I >>>>>>>> recently added to the upcoming JOD 0.9.3 documentation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Coming up with an accurate description of J is a challenge. >>>>>> The language is >>>>>>>> definitely array oriented and contains an almost pure >> functional>>>>>> tacit sub-language. However J also contains >> substantial>>>> imperative features >>>>>>>> and its clever use of locales and locale paths simulates most >>>>>> of the useful >>>>>>>> features of object oriented languages. Waving your hands and >>>>>> declaring a >>>>>>>> language multi-paradigm or agile is the standard way out but >>>>>> unfortunately>> this does not distinguish J. I >> think J is a >>>>>> *feral* programming language. >>>>>>>> The word feral sounds like a mixture of functional and >>>>>> imperative and the >>>>>>>> established meaning of feral: almost wild, wilily, able to >>>>>> survive on your >>>>>>>> own but willing to cooperate – on your own terms - conveys >>>>>> the independent >>>>>>>> free thinking character of J programmers. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
