8 8 8 #: a.i.CR
0 1 5
8 8 8 #: a.i.LF
0 1 2
8 8 8 #: a.i.TAB
0 1 1
'this',CR,'is',TAB,'strange'
'this',CR,'is',TAB,'strange'
this
is\011strange
2012/2/7 Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com>
> 8 8 8 #: a.i.TAB
> 0 1 1
>
> --
> Raul
>
> 2012/2/7 Björn Helgason <gos...@gmail.com>:
> > How come that TAB displays /011 ?
> >
> > a.i.CR
> > 13
> > a.i.LF
> > 10
> > a.i.TAB
> > 9
> > TAB
> > \011
> > 9{a.
> > \011
> > CR
> >
> >
> > LF
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/6 chris burke <cbu...@jsoftware.com>
> >
> >> Right, thanks. This is a better definition:
> >>
> >> octal_j_=: 3 : 0
> >> t=. ,y
> >> if. LF e. t do.
> >> t=. octal each <;._2 t,LF
> >> }: ; t ,each LF return.
> >> end.
> >> u=. isutf8 t
> >> x=. a. i. t
> >> m=. x < 32
> >> if. u > 1 e. m do. t return. end.
> >> m=. I. m +. u < x > 126
> >> r=. t ,"0 1 [ 3 # EAV
> >> s=. '\',.}.1 ": 8 (#.^:_1) 255,m{x
> >> EAV -.~ , s m} r
> >> )
> >>
> >> octal_j_ '時間',2 3 4 {a.
> >> 時間\002\003\004
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:30 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Execuse me, all code points below 128 are valid utf8 because they are
> >> valid
> >> > 7-bit ascii. For example,
> >> >
> >> > isutf8 128{.a.
> >> > 1
> >> > isutf8 129{.a.
> >> > 0
> >> > isutf8 '時間', 2 3 4{a.
> >> > 1
> >> >
> >> > ascii mixes well with control characters,
> >> >
> >> > octal_j_ 'abc',2 3 4{a.
> >> > abc\002\003\004
> >> >
> >> > It would be more usefuly if
> >> >
> >> > octal_j_ '時間',2 3 4 {a.
> >> > 時間\002\003\004
> >> >
> >> > I meant only octalize the range 0-31. Other characters will be taken
> care
> >> > by
> >> > choosing a suitable font.
> >> >
> >> > Вск, 05 Фев 2012, Chris Burke писал(а):
> >> > > That is exactly the point - if the argument is not valid utf8, it
> >> > displays
> >> > > it in octal. In your example, the 2 3 4 { a. ensure that it is not
> >> valid
> >> > > utf8.
> >> > >
> >> > > However if the argument is utf8, it is returned unchanged, e.g.
> >> > >
> >> > > octal_j_ '時間'
> >> > > 時間
> >> > >
> >> > > The change I just suggested is that instead of checking the entire
> >> > string,
> >> > > check the string line by line.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:59 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > This is a output using octal_j_
> >> > > >
> >> > > > octal_j_ '時間',2 3 4 {a.
> >> > > > \346\231\202\351\226\223\002\003\004
> >> > > >
> >> > > > For most chinese, display with octal_j_ is almost rubbish. I guess
> >> > russian
> >> > > > would also be similar.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Вск, 05 Фев 2012, Chris Burke писал(а):
> >> > > > > In J gtk, the session expects data in utf8 format. Obviously a.
> >> won't
> >> > > > work,
> >> > > > > but could be converted to utf8 for display.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The utility that formats data for display is octal_j_. This
> does a
> >> > simple
> >> > > > > check on the argument string and either returns it unchanged, or
> >> > formats
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > octal. A simple improvement is to run the formatter on each
> line,
> >> > rather
> >> > > > > than the string as a whole, as below:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > octal_j_=: 3 : 0
> >> > > > > t=. ,y
> >> > > > > x=. a. i. t
> >> > > > > n=. x e. 9 10 13
> >> > > > > m=. n < 32 > x
> >> > > > > if. (isutf8 t) > 1 e. m do. t return. end.
> >> > > > > if. LF e. t do.
> >> > > > > t=. octal each <;._2 t,LF
> >> > > > > }: ; t ,each LF return.
> >> > > > > end.
> >> > > > > r=. t ,"0 1 [ 3 # EAV
> >> > > > > if. #m=. I. m +. x>126 do.
> >> > > > > s=. '\',.}.1 ": 8 (#.^:_1) 255,m{x
> >> > > > > r=. s m} r
> >> > > > > end.
> >> > > > > EAV -.~ ,r
> >> > > > > )
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > For example, this works reasonably well with the new definition:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > load 'unicode'
> >> > > > > toutf8 &> _16<\a.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On my machine, the first two rows (first 32 chars) are still in
> >> > octal,
> >> > > > but
> >> > > > > the rest get displayed using the proper characters (where
> available
> >> > in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > font).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I would appreciate suggestions for futher improvements to the
> octal
> >> > > > utility.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM, bill lam <bbill....@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > behaviour of < is different if the string is unicode. u: is
> >> > required
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > > > some places and it is not related to simplicity or complexity
> if
> >> > you
> >> > > > > > wants correct results.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > compare the outputs of _16{.a. with u: _16{.a.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > the first contains illegal utf8 characters which can be
> checked
> >> by
> >> > > > > > isutf8 _16{.a.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What would you expect from gtkide to display those illegal
> >> > characters?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Вск, 05 Фев 2012, Fraser Jackson писал(а):
> >> > > > > > > Why should I have to use u: to box elements of a. ? Seems
> an
> >> > > > > > unnecessary
> >> > > > > > > complication - and a bigger problem for beginners.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > In gtkide <"0 [2}. u: i. 16 16 still has all the problems.
> >> That
> >> > > > > > suggests
> >> > > > > > > some problems are associated with the unicode treatment of
> >> > control
> >> > > > > > > characters.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Even in Jconsole the first and second line are also
> >> > irregular.When
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > > configure specifies a mono spaced font in gtkide we should
> >> surely
> >> > > > expect
> >> > > > > > > characters within the ascii set will be treated as atoms and
> >> > > > assigned a
> >> > > > > > > single space.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I am really seeking that members of the alphabet ( and
> hence
> >> any
> >> > > > literal
> >> > > > > > > nouns defined using that set ) have each member treated as
> an
> >> > atom
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > > that
> >> > > > > > > that treatment is clearly separated from their role in
> >> > controlling
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > > nature of the display. That seems to have been achieved in
> >> J602.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > The treatment of type 131072 - unicode obviously involves a
> >> host
> >> > of
> >> > > > other
> >> > > > > > > issues with respect to display and treatment of aoms.
> However
> >> > there
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > large number of problems within the narrower framework of
> atoms
> >> > > > within
> >> > > > > > a. or
> >> > > > > > > represented by those characters. Precise, simple and
> consistent
> >> > > > display
> >> > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > those atoms is extremely valuable and important and has not
> yet
> >> > been
> >> > > > > > > achieved with the gtkide.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Fraser
> >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > > From: "bill lam" <bbill....@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > To: <programming@jsoftware.com>
> >> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:04 PM
> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Problems displaying the
> alphabet in
> >> > > > J701gtk
> >> > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > J701jhs
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > It seemes that the characters in the first two rows caused
> >> the
> >> > > > trouble,
> >> > > > > > > > the following display ok in gtkide,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > <"0 [ u: 2}. i.16 16
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > jconsole have no problem in displaying them.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > <"0[u: i.16 16
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur
> > Fornustekkum II
> > 781 Hornafirði,
> > t-póst: gos...@gmail.com
> > gsm: +3546985532
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