On 25.11.2011 10:10, Ferran Jorba wrote:

Hi!

Currently, bfe_authors.py uses
        http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd100.html

this is an example of the default values of Invenio not being Marc21
compliant.

Right. And then these are bad defaults.

I've complained about this a few times, and I should have
filled a task about those defaults, and sent a few patches, although I
haven't yet ;-(.

The problem of the default values not being correct has those
consequences: if you import records from another catalog, those values
mishave in Invenio.

Right. And this is in fact pretty bad. As I noted I took of the authors
of some 50.000 records. It's a private system here we're testing at the
moment but surely, if that would have been life it wouldn't be a good thing.

Librarians (and library-educated computer people)
expect those records to behave like in the other system.  So it is
interoperability and economy.

Perfectly right. Every deviation from this standard is to be checked
very, very carefully and to be avoided if there're any means.

The problem arises not only in those Python bibformat snippets, but also
in bibindex definition, and all export formats.

Sure. I just took the most prominent ones. 100 being first author, ahm,
everyone here with a medicine department? ;)

For example, my bfe_author.py has those fields:

     if (authors_type in ['','personal']):
[...]
         authors.extend(bfo.fields('720%%'))

(In my case I have the need of show sometimes personal or corporate
authors, depending of the collection; I understand that it is not always
the case).

You never know and we have all of those. As you seem to have gone over
it already I think your adoptions should be checked here on the list and
go to the default codebase of Invenio.

And so on.  It is a major task, but much needed.  Newcomers are likely
to feel frustated due to the system not behaving as espected.

Perfecly agree, but even if you know about it it's really difficult not
to forget about a field.

I'll go over your list as well but I'd really like to have someone
joining in from CERN here so that we can get this to the final code. We
are an institution which is pretty broad in it's scientific scope so we
can expect to have everything and also a major german university joined
in recently and now we have Astronomy .. Zoology including all social
sciences, arts and humanities. So we can expect to get almost everything
that LoC got over the past few hundred years including specialities as
you mentioned.

--

Kind regards,

Alexander Wagner
Subject Specialist
Central Library
52425 Juelich

mail : a.wag...@fz-juelich.de
phone: +49 2461 61-1586
Fax  : +49 2461 61-6103
www.fz-juelich.de/zb/DE/zb-fi

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