Bls: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman

[Bukan Pedanda]

Jadi, saya ulang: otak PAREWA PREWA itu jelas sudah rusak...

Dia bukan manusia normal lagi.

Dia sudah gila.

Saya rentang....

PAREWA PAREWA itu adalah korban kedunguan orang tuanya yang
dungu-dungu kayak anjing dan yang tidak memberikan pendidikan yang memadai
untuk
dia: dia juga dungu kayak anjing seperti mereka.

Dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya buat berfikir, dia tidak dilatih
untuk berfikir kritis.

Dia tidak dilatih untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya.

Dia dilatih buat biasa bersikap seperti anjing budug lapar dihadapan taik
angat: diajar untuk melahap apa saja yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya.

Makanya, dia sama-sama tidak punya harga diri seperti orang tuanya yang
dungu
kayak anjing itu dan sama-sama bersedia menjadi korban kibulan orang Arab
primitif.

Lalu, berkat kemajuan teknologi, dia punya akses ke internet dan sempat
melihat
kenyataan lain yang pahit lagi menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang lain di
internet: ajaran agama Islam yang dianutnya dan yang dikiranya berdasarkan
kebenaran dan berdasarkan wahyu dari Allah itu ternyata cuman berdasarkan
omong
kosong dan kibulan hasil khayalan orang Arab primitif.

Karena dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya untuk berfikir dan untuk
mempertanyakan apa yang dia yakini selama ini maka dia bingung dihadapan
kenyataan itu: groggy.

Dia jadi gila.

Gila dan lantas kalap.

Lalu dia jadi tukang fitnah dan penyebar dusta.

Seperti halnya hampir semua peserta Islam yang hadir disini yang seperti dia
juga
tidak terlatih untuk memakai otak mereka buat berfikir, untuk berfikir secara
kritis.

Untuk kembali menemukan keseimbangan, hanya psikiater yang bisa menolongnya.

Tapi PAREWA PAREWA takut berobat.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA <parewa70@...> wrote:
>
> Jadi layaknya nasarani tukang putar balik fakta, maka si item entah karena 
> dongoknya atawa kemakan bualan pendeta/misonarisnya memutarbalikan fakta soal 
> hitler. Nah bacalah artikel dibawah bagaimana hitler terinspirasi ajaran 
> bible untuk membunuhi orang. 
> 
> Lain kali kalo dongok jangan sok tau ya Tem.
> 
> 
> 
> Hitler Was a Christian
> The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
>  
>     History is currently being distorted by the millions of 
> Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a 
> Christian deed.  Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s 
> Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of 
> Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult 
> worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on 
> those with out Jesus.  However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi 
> party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his 
> Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who 
> would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books 
> before they address their pews and chat rooms.
>     Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing 
> an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t 
> encountered any), I have 
> been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay.  It is not until I 
> bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their 
> tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told 
> them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier.  My Opa served under 
> Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi 
> regime.  This is important information to take into consideration for I 
> am privy to some info that most Americans do not know.  It is common for 
> American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens 
> concerning Nazi Germany.)  So, in presenting this information I must 
> break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the 
> Church.  2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism.  3) Facts 
> concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into 
> Germanic society.  4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for 
> atheism/occultism, upheld his 
> Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.
>  
> Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
> a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria .
> b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school.  (On his 
> way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved 
> with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
> c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
> d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.”  His most 
> ardent goal at the time was to become a priest.  Hitler writes of his 
> love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to 
> intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church 
> festivals.  As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village 
> priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable 
> ideal.”  -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
> e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.  Matter of 
> fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the 
> Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
> f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope 
> could appoint as a bishop in Germany , Spain and Italy .  In turn they 
> surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican .  Hitler wrote a 
> speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: 
> “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany 
> means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic 
> Church.  This treaty shows the whole world clearly and 
> unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is 
> hostile to religion is a lie.”  Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to 
> the Nazi Party
> g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and 
> supporting the church.  The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as 
> part of their 
> sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. 
>  This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal 
> nuncio in Berlin .  It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo 
> celebrated Hitler’s birthday.  The celebrations were initiated by 
> Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
> Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest 
> congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the 
> dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany 
> are sending to heaven on their altars.”  (If you would like to know 
> more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a 
> book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of 
> Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
> h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines 
> of the Church as law.  He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on 
> all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. 
>  Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would 
> implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its 
> allegiance to positive Christianity.  It will be its honest endeavor to 
> protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure 
> them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to 
> constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of 
> today.”  â€"Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops 
> to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan 
> propaganda “ Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know 
> therefore how to handle this Church.”  -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have 
> said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National 
> Socialism
>  
> How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:
> Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education.   Austria and 
> Germany were majorly 
> Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an 
> inferior status to Aryan Christians.  The Christians blamed the Jews for the 
> killing of Jesus.  Jewish hatred did not actually spring from 
> Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant 
> ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years.  The Protestant 
> leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their 
> Jewish religion.  In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set 
> the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 
> 2.  Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly 
> quoting his works and beliefs.
> Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of 
> Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the 
> Versailles treaty.  The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made 
> financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not 
> self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader 
> that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a 
> world recognized power.  Due to his annulment of the financial woes of 
> the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as 
> the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933.  This placed 
> him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates 
> their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, 
> mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a 
> national 
> Christianity.
>  
> How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
> a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a 
> “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a 
> constitution).  In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, 
> from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” 
> Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the 
> State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the 
> morality and moral sense of the German race.  The Party, as such, 
> stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of 
> creed to any 
> particular confession...”
> b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to 
> impressionable children.  Hitler backed up the notion that all people 
> need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the 
> level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the 
> securing and safeguarding of his existence.  Take away from present-day 
> mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, 
> practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this 
> religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the 
> result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.”  â€" 
> Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
> c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was 
> taught.
> d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks 
> and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.
> e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly 
> convert all its military.
> f) The Nazi regime 
> forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the 
> swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear.  An example 
> here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which 
> reads “Gott Mit Uns”.  For those of you who do not speak German it is 
> translated as “God With Us”.
> g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water 
> and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a 
> maneuver.
> h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would 
> act as spies on the dealings of other citizens.  If anyone was suspected of 
> heresy (Going not only against 
> the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.
>  
> Quotes from Hitler:
>     Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his 
> faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany.  Nazism presents an 
> embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So 
> they try to pin him on other theistic views.  The following words 
> from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal 
> the strength of his Christian feelings:
>     “National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; 
> it is 
> exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. 
>  In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a 
> people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow 
> mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets 
> of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.  Such folk are not 
> National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which 
> has nothing to do with us.  At the head of our programme there stand no 
> secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward 
> profession of belief.  But since we set as the central point of this 
> perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence 
> the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the 
> maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the 
> secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the 
> Lord…  Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and 
> for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed.  Our humility is the 
> unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they 
> are known to us men.”  -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 
> Sept.1938.  [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan 
> cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand 
> against cults.]
>     “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. 
>  We have 
> therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that 
> not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” 
> -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly 
> refutes modern 
> Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.  Hitler wanted to form a 
> society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any 
> questioning of such to be heresy.  The Holocaust was like a modern 
> inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were 
> killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and 
> atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]
>     Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the 
> Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism: 
>     "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a 
> fighter. 
>  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few 
> followers, recognized these Jews for 
> what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s 
> truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless 
> love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells 
> us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to 
> drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific 
> was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after 
> two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly 
> than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His 
> blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be 
> cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…  And 
> if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting 
> rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have 
> also a duty to my own people."  â€"Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 
> 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The 
> Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 
> 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
>     "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; 
> it was 
> absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. 
>  Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take 
> form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf 
> Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to 
> destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)
>     "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes 
> the living shape of the Jew."  -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the 
> devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on 
> interpretations from the Bible. 
> Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up 
> until the 20th century.)
>     "With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in 
> wait 
> for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing 
> her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war 
> for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and 
> assimilate their own.  Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)      
>     “The best characterization is provided by the product of this 
> religious education, the Jew himself.  His life 
> is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true 
> Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great 
> founder of the new doctrine.  Of course, the latter made no secret of 
> his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took 
> the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all 
> humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument 
> for his business existence.  In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, 
> while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for 
> Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles 
> with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”â€"Adolf 
> Hitler (Mein Kampf)
>     "…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his 
> expulsion."  -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where 
> humankind is cast from Eden for their sins.  Hitler 
> compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against 
> Christ.)
>     “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will 
> of the 
> Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the 
> work of the Lord.”  â€"Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
>     “The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] 
> was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”  â€"Adolf 
> Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it 
> disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. 
> He states quite clearly 
> that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race.  That is why 
> many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)
> “Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first 
> prerequisite for success.  This persistence, however, can always and 
> only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not 
> spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and 
> uncertain.”  â€"Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his 
> war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong 
> Christian Spirituality.)
> Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:
>     "Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party 
> and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it 
> was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief 
> associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the 
> church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, 
> although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the 
> church until his suicide."  (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 
> 95-96) 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  Dari: rezameutia <rezameutia@...>
> Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> Dikirim: Kamis, 1 Maret 2012 7:11
> Judul: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
>  
> 
>   
> ini kan makin menguatkan bahwa elu goblok banget dan level kecerdasannya 
> dibawah babi.
> 
> mana mungkin orang islam di india yang minoritas bisa membantai 50 juta orang 
> mayoritas?
> 
> pakai akal lu, tem.  punya otak nggak sih??
> 
> hitler ngebantai 6 juta orang yahudi dibantu orang islam?
> 
> ini kan cerita isapan kontol yang dipercaya si item penghisap kontol juga, 
> bahwa hitler dibantu oleh nmufti palestina ngebantai yahudi.
> 
> bego banget sih lu, tem??
> 
> hitler ngebantai 6 juta orang yahudi dibantu dan direstui oleh paus pius.  
> hitler adalah seorang katolik taat, jadi dia minta restu dari paus pius untuk 
> ngebantai yahudi, bukannya minta doa restu mufti di palestina. 
> 
> bego banget dah...
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> >
> > Ottoman ngebantai 1,5 juta orang Armnenia, 1/2 juta orang Assyria dan jutaa 
> > orang Balkan. Itu semua demi auloh. Indonesia aja ngebantai ratusan ribu 
> > orang. Tambahin deh dgn di Syria, Uganda, Iraq, Iran, Aljazair, India, 
> > pakistan dll, udah pasti jumlahnya jauh lebih banyak dr yg mati di tangan 
> > non Islam. Di India aja, lebih dr 50 juta orang dibantai orang Islam, jauh 
> > di atas apa yg dilakukan Hittler.
> >  
> > Hittler itu ngebantai orang Yahudi niru nabi lu, dibantu oleh orang Islam. 
> > Makanya Hittler itu jadi pahlawan unt orang Islam dan jg unt bajingan kayak 
> > si wawan. 
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:26 AM
> > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >gini deh, dari pada elu minta disuapin mulu kayak homo manja, mendingan 
> > >balik lagi ke topiknya, udah pasti lebih banyak tentara kristen yang 
> > >ngebantai dan membunuh orang dari pada tentara islam.
> > >
> > >kan lu bisa itung sendiri, hitler sendiri aja ngebantai 6 juta orang udah 
> > >pasti jauh diatas orang yang dibantai tentara islam. belum lagi ditambah 
> > >dengan tentara amerika ngebantai orang jepang dengan ngebom hiroshima dan 
> > >nagasaki, ngebantai orang vietnam di perang vietnam, ngebantai orang korea 
> > >di perang korea.
> > >
> > >mau ditambahin lagi, bego??
> > >
> > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Kayaknya lu belajar dr si Teddy cara puter lidah unt nutup2in ketololan 
> > >> dan kebusukan lu.
> > >>  
> > >> Lu ngoceh ngebandingkan pembantaian orang Jepang oleh tentara Amrik dgn 
> > >> pembantaian yg dilakukan orang Islam, tp lu ga bisa nunjukin seberapa 
> > >> banyak pembantaian yg dilakukan tentara Amrik tsb.
> > >>  
> > >> Hehehe... orang Jepang ga ribut dgn Amrik soal dibomnya Hiroshima dan 
> > >> Nagasaki, dan ga ada jg yg nyangkal adanya pemboman itu. Sebaliknya, 
> > >> orang Islam terus nyangkal pembantaian thd orang Armenia, Assyria dan jg 
> > >> orang Balkan lainnya oleh Ottoman Turki, sementara orang2 yg jadi 
> > >> korbannya itu sampe sekarang masih terus nuntut spy Turki mengakui 
> > >> pembantaian tsb.
> > >>  
> > >> Jadi orang Islam itu emang tukang tipu selain jg tukang bantai.
> > >>  
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:22 PM
> > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >  
> > >> >Elu masih aja manja2 ama gw minta disuapin. Kenapa elu nggak nyari 
> > >> >sendiri pake google?
> > >> >
> > >> >Gw udah berkali-kali bilang search pake google, tapi elu tetep aja 
> > >> >masih manja minta disuapin ama gw. Dasar tipikal anjing pemalas pemakan 
> > >> >taik.
> > >> >
> > >> >Mendingan, lu urusin tuh pacar lu si Jusfiq yang sekarang lagi mojok 
> > >> >sambil mengulang-ngulang kalimat kagak ada berhentinya. Kesian gw 
> > >> >ngeliat pacar elu yang udah tua bangka udah gitu hidupnya sengsara dan 
> > >> >kelakuannya makin sarap.
> > >> >
> > >> >Gimana kalo lu kasih aja duit ratusan juta untuk pacar elu yang sarap 
> > >> >itu?
> > >> >
> > >> >Hehehe....
> > >> >
> > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jadi lu ga tau brp banyak orang Jepang yg dibantai tentara Amrik, 
> > >> >> berarti lu cuma asal kaing2 doang.
> > >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> Setelah PD2, Amrik ngebantu Jepang shg Jepang bisa makmur. 
> > >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> Bandingkan dgn orang2 Islam, bukan cuma ngebantai orang, tp jg 
> > >> >> ngerampok korbannya, merkosa ceweknya, memperbudak yg msh hidup dan 
> > >> >> merampas tanahnya. Semua ini sesuai dgn sunnah nabi dan perintah 
> > >> >> auloh.
> > >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:26 AM
> > >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >ÃÆ'‚  
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Hehehe ... lu yg ngoceh soal tentara Amrik ngebantai orang Jepang, 
> > >> >> >> sekarang lu ga bisa jawab berapa banyak korbannya. Jadi lu ini 
> > >> >> >> cuma asbun doang.
> > >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >hehehe....
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >gw dah bilang, sifat manja dan minta disuapin mulu seperti kelakuan 
> > >> >> >elu ama jusfiq nggak usah dibawa-bawa dah. apa sih susahnya tinggal 
> > >> >> >elu search di google?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >atau, coba dah minta ama si jusfiq dengan genit.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Amrik ngebom Nagasaki dan Hiroshima unt menghentikan perang, orang 
> > >> >> >> Islam ngebantai non Islam itu dlm rangka ibadah ngejilat pantat 
> > >> >> >> auloh, jadi sesuai dgn ajran Islam.
> > >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >oo.., kayak elu ngembat emak sendiri, ngembat anak lu sendiri itu 
> > >> >> >halal karena dalam rangka perintah tuhan dalam kidung agung ya??
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >hehehe...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >> >> >> >Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:55 PM
> > >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Goblok, lu ga jawab pertanyaan gua, ada berapa orang Jepang yg 
> > >> >> >> >> dibantai tentara Amrik?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Tem, kebiasaan lu yang minta disuapin dan manja ama pacar elu si 
> > >> >> >> >Jusfiq tua bangka sialan nggak usah dibawa-bawa dah.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Kelakuan lu yang selalu dimanjain dan disuapin mulu ama si 
> > >> >> >> >Jusfiq,, seperti ketika mulut lu mangap maka kontol si Jusfiq 
> > >> >> >> >udah tersedia di depan mulut lu dan tinggal disepong ama elu. 
> > >> >> >> >Kelakuan elu yang manja dan minta disuapin kayak gitu nggak usah 
> > >> >> >> >dipamerin di milis ini tem.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Si babi item sok manja2 ama gw minta dicariin data korban bom 
> > >> >> >> >atom Hiroshima dan Nagasaki. Emangnya elu kagak bisa nyari data 
> > >> >> >> >sendiri di google?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> Lu mau jawab apa ga, terserah lu. Tp yg pasti adalah jumlah 
> > >> >> >> >> orang yg dibantai oleh Ottoman Turki itu jauh lebih banyak dr 
> > >> >> >> >> orang Jepang yg mati di tangan Amrik.
> > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> Dan bom atom di Hiroshima dan Nagasaki tujuannya adalah unt 
> > >> >> >> >> menghentikan perang spy korbannya ga tambah banyak, krn jepang 
> > >> >> >> >> masih terus ga mau nyerah biarpun udah kalah di mana2.
> > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> Di lain pihak, Ottoman dan orang2 Islam lainnya itu emang mau 
> > >> >> >> >> ngebantai non Islam, bukannya mau ngurangi jumlah korban mati.
> > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >> >> >> >> >Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:54 AM
> > >> >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> > 
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> Coba lu bilang, ada berapa orang Jepang dibantai tentara 
> > >> >> >> >> >> Amrik?
> > >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >tuh kan, emang bener2 elu gobloknya kelewatan, artinya nggak 
> > >> >> >> >> >salah lagi udah pasti level kecerdasan elu dibawah babi.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >mosok hari gini udah abad ke 21 masih ada orang yang kagak tau 
> > >> >> >> >> >tentang bom atom hiroshima dan nagasaki? dasar bego!!
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >udah dah, mendingan lu ngelocoin kontolnya jusfiq yang peot 
> > >> >> >> >> >dan sekalian ngomongin tentang hiroshima dan nagasaki ama 
> > >> >> >> >> >pacar lu si junkie tua itu. ntar kalo elu udah selesai 
> > >> >> >> >> >ngelocoin jusfiq dan elu udah pinteran dikit, paling nggak 
> > >> >> >> >> >level kecerdasan lu sama dengan babi, baru dah pamer ketololan 
> > >> >> >> >> >lagi disini.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >gimana tem?
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >hehehe...
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Hittler emang ngebantai orang Yahudi, dgn bantuan orang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> Islam. Sampe sekarang jg Hittler jadi pahlawan orang Islam, 
> > >> >> >> >> >> ga ada orang yg nyanjung Hittler selain orang islam dan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> orang kayak si wawan.
> > >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> Hehehe.... coba lu kasih tau gua, berapa banyak orang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> dibantai orang Kristen dan bandingkan dgn jumlah yg dibantai 
> > >> >> >> >> >> orang Islam, di India aja orang Islam ngebantai puluhan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> juta. Di Indonesia thn 1965-66, orang Islam ngebantai 
> > >> >> >> >> >> sekitar 1/2 juta orang.
> > >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:25 AM
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> > 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Lebih banyak orang islam atau orang kristen orang?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Itung aja berapa tentara amerika ngebantai orang jepang, 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >hitler ngebantai orang yahudi? Orang islam sih nggak ada 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >apanya dibandingkan kekejaman orang kristen.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Dan, yang paling penting nih tem...
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Berapa banyak babi yang dibantai oleh orang kristen 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >dibandingkan oleh orang islam?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Hehehe....
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Kalo belajar, belajar dr orang islam aja.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Orang Islam ga ngaku orang Turki ngebantai jutaan orang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Kristen, ga ngaku Syria ngebantai penduduknya sendiri, ga 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ngaku Saudi nindas orang Shia, ga ngaku Al Qaeda 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ngebantai orang islam, ga ngaku orang Arab nganiaya tkw 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Indonesia dll.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:43 AM
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >bagaimana dengan blanda yang muke tebel dan nggak punya 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >kemaluan?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >genocide di rawagede, genocide oleh westerling, it's 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >nothing.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >BIG NOTHING!!!
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Sunny" <ambon@> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Refl:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jangan lupa untuk juga belajar dari :
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Di Jepang malah kalau terbukti membuat kesalahan, 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> karena malu berani bunuh diri. Di Tiongkok ditembak 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mati.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Di USA, Blagojevitch, mantan gubernur Ilinois 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gara-gara korupsi dihukum 14 tahun penjara ( 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/07/blagojevich-sentence-14-y_n_1134230.html
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  )
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Berapa tahun paling lama hukuman penjara bagi petinggi 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> koruptor di NKRI?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.siwalimanews.com/post/belajar_dari_jerman
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wednesday, 22 February 2012
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Belajar dari Jerman
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> NEGERI ini terlampau sedikit menyimpan hal-hal yang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> baik untuk dijadikan panduan, sehinggauntuk hal sepele 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pun, kita harus belajar dari luar negeri. Misalnya, 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> untuk sekadar memiliki rasa malu, kita mesti berguru 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ke negeri orang.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Presiden Jerman Christian Wulff mengajarkan rasa malu 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> itu kepada kita. Wulff memilih mundur dari jabatan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> presiden pada Jumat (17/2), karena malu diguncang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pemberitaan skandal korupsi.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dua kesalahan yang dilakukan Wulff. Dia diduga kuat 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> menerima fasilitas saat meminjam dana dari bank untuk 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mencicil rumahnya sebelum menjadi presiden. Kedua, 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wulff diduga menekan harian Jerman Bild yang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> memberitakan skandal korupsinya itu.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wulff bukanlah sosok pengecut. Dia menggelar 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> konferensi pers di Istana Presiden, Berlin, bersama 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> istrinya, Bettina. Secara tegas Wulff mengatakan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jerman membutuhkan presiden yang didukung publik. 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Namun kepercayaan itu semakin tergerus dan mulai 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mengganggu. Itulah alasan Wulff mundur.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tentu saja Wulff bukanlah tokoh pertama yang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mengundurkan diri saat duduk di puncak singgasana 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> kekuasaan. Di Brasil, banyak menteri mundur karena 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tuduhan korupsi.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sepanjang 2011 paling kurang lima menteri Brasil 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> melepaskan jabatan karena diguncang skandal korupsi. 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Juga di Jepang dan Korea, banyak pejabat mundur bahkan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bunuh diri karena terbelit isu korupsi.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pengunduran diri Wulff mengajarkan moral, etika, dan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rasa malu. Para pejabat publik mestinya memiliki 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> standar tentang nilai-nilai yang baik dan buruk, yang 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> benar dan salah. Pejabat juga harus memelihara 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> perasaan enggan melakukan sesuatu yang nista. Itulah 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rasa malu.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Namun moral, etika, dan rasa malu para pejabat publik 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> kita sudah lama luntur. Pejabat publik di sini meski 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> sudah menjadi tersangka, terdakwa, atau bahkan telah 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> divonis masuk bui karena perkara korupsi pun, enggan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mundur. Jabatan dan kekuasaan dijadikan tameng untuk 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> berlindung.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Skandal korupsi muncul hampir setiap hari melibatkan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> baik pejabat pemerintah, DPR, maupun hakim, jaksa, dan 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> polisi. Ada kasus Wisma Atlet, ada perkara proyek 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hambalang, ada skandal Bank Century, dan sejumlah 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> kasus korupsi lain yang diduga melibatkan para elite 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> negara.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beberapa nama anggota DPR, ketua umum partai, hingga 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> menteri sudah terus terang disebut dalam sidang di 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pengadilan. Namun, tidak seorang pun memberi contoh 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> secara sukarela menanggalkan jabatannya karena malu.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rasa malu memang sudah hilang dari para pejabat publik 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> kita. Padahal, rasa malu merupakan kekuatan preventif 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> yang membentengi seseorang melakukan tindakan hina 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> seperti korupsi. Jika elite tidak lagi memiliki rasa 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> malu, mereka mudah dikuasai nafsu keserakahan.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sungguh memprihatinkan negeri ini. Sekadar rasa malu 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pun kita sudah tidak punya sehingga harus belajar dari 
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