Kalo nabi sih takut dgn anjing, apalagi anjing hitam, hehehe...
 
 

From: Sunny <am...@tele2.se>
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 4:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] In the words of the Imams
>
>
>  
>Film yang berjudul “Exorsist” dan “Ipolita” saya kira yang paling serem.
>
>From: Musik hari Ini 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:13 AM
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Subject: Re: [proletar] In the words of the Imams
>
>Sering kita jumpai dalam sebuah tayangan film horor, selalu 
>menghadirkan seekor kucing hitam sebagai latar atau figuran. Aksesoris 
>kucing hitam juga sering kali muncul dalam acara yang berkaitan dengan 
>dunia mistis.Seperti menjelang malam Binatang bermata menyala waktu malam hari 
>ini selalu dikaitkan dengan dunia sihir atau magic....................tatapan 
>matanya sungguh2 menakutkan pada siang & malam
>Sebagian masyarakat percaya bahwa kehadiran kucing hitam selalu 
>diidentikkan dengan datangnya bangsa lelembut atau hantu. Biasanya 
>kucing hitam tak datang di sembarang tempat dan waktu.
>Hanya tempat-tempat sepi dan wingit saja yang menjadi tempat kesukaan 
>munculnya kucing hitam.
>Sebagian masyarakat mempercayai kehadiran kucing hitam adalah 
>pertanda keangkeran. Dimana kucing hitam dijumpai, pasti di sekitar 
>lokasi tersebut sedang ada hantu atau bangsa lelembut lain yang tengah 
>melakukan penampakan atau sekedar melintas. Huh serem banget!
>Kepercayaan akan kucing hitam bermula dari sejarah di jaman Babylonia kuno 
>tempo dulu. Saat itu kucing hitam dipersembahkan dalam upacara 
>ritual untuk dibakar bersama sesaji lainnya. Mitos ini timbul karena ada 
>seekor kucing hitam yang tidur di tengah-tengah seekor ular dengan 
>pulasnya, padahal saat itu ular merupakan lambang dari kejahatan.(Saduran 
>bebas)
>
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>From: Musik hari Ini <mailto:musikhariini%40yahoo.com>
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>Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 7:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] In the words of the Imams
>
>Tem item,dua minggu yang lalu gua nemu seekor kucing 
>
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>From: item abu <mailto:itemabu%40yahoo.com>
>To: "mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com"; <mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com> 
>Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 6:15 PM
>Subject: [proletar] In the words of the Imams
>
>Ini adalah perkataan dari imam, sheik (ahli Islam) atau orang penting di dunia 
>Islam. Siapa yg lebih kita percaya, mereka atau orang2 Islam kayak rezamettia, 
>Abbas Amin, Hasan Basri atau anjing buduk piaraan orang Islam spt suryana dan 
>Teddy?
>
>Ini contoh dr perkataan imam, hehehe....
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Masri: “Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it 
>is OK – even if there is no reason for it.” 
>
>http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/islamic-jihad-articles/in-the-words-of-the-imams/
>
>In the words of the Imams
>3/31/2012
>In the words of the Imams
>jonmc
>
>The sources for all these quotes are on the internet. Need I add that these 
>are less than a tithe of a tithe of the outpourings of bigotry, hatred, vile 
>anti-semitism, calls-to-violence etc. that are the stock-in-trade of many 
>Imams and Sheikhs – when speaking to Muslims that is?
>Let me assure the reader that this is merely the flavour of what is said – 
>much inevitably goes unrecorded and unreported. In other words, these are what 
>the Imams deemed “fit for public consumption” rather than what may be said in 
>“closed session”.
>
>On non-Muslims.
>
>Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed (Syrian-born British cleric): “We don’t make a 
>distinction between civilians and non-civilians… Only between Muslims and 
>unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value.” 
>Comment:Bakri is being very hard on Kaffirs here. According to the Laws of 
>Qisas the non-Muslim’s life is worth half that of a Muslim, but this may only 
>apply to dhimmis.
>
>Sheik Riyadh ul Haq (Leicester UK Mosques): “the ones who are bitterest in 
>their enmity towards Muslims, the most unrelenting, unforgiving, are the Jews 
>and the idolators in all their forms [this use of “idolators” means all 
>non-Muslims in effect]. And lest someone say that’s provocative or that is 
>anti-Semitic, Allah, the creator of the Semite, says that.” 
>Comment: So that’s all right then. I can be a nasty, racist, xenophobic 
>promoter of Islamist intolerance because my god is too!
>
>Abu Usamah: “No one loves the kuffaar [non-Muslim], not a single person loves 
>the kuffaar, we hate the kuffaar! Allah has not given those people who are 
>kuffaar a way over the believer. They shouldn’t be in authority over us. 
>Muslims shouldn’t be satisfied with anything other than a total Islamic 
>state.” 
>Comment: I had trouble deciding whether to put this here, under Al-War’a 
>wal-bar’a or Islamic supremacy. Usamah gets the lot in here!
>
>Anjem Choudhery (A self-styled British “Imam”): “When we say innocent people 
>we mean Muslims. As far as non-Muslims are concerned, they haven’t accepted 
>Islam … [that's] a crime against god.” 
>Comment: Implicit here is that no (adult) kaffir is an innocent and that all 
>Kaffirs are “fair game” to be murdered.
>
>Sheik Nader Tamimi, Mufti of the Palestinian Liberation Army: “We Will Restore 
>the Caliphate and You [the West] Will Pay the Jizya or else we will bring the 
>sword to your necks.” 
>Comment:so much for the “religion of Peace”TM. Also note that this isn’t 
>“compulsion” since we have a choice – Jizya or death.
>
>On Islamic supremacy.
>
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Masri (Imam in Britain, Finsbury Park Mosque, London): “The 
>real weapons of mass destruction are the desire for martyrdom… Half a million 
>martyrdom shaheed is enough for Muslims to control the whole of earth forever. 
>In the end of the day, Islam must control earth, whether we like it or not.”
>Comment: Thus the Imam is pursuing the Koran-mandated goal of world 
>domination. It sounds like a bad B-movie plot, but it isn’t – and that is 
>something that should concern us all. He is also calling for a half-million 
>suicide-bombers to blow themselves up whilst murdering non-Muslims.
>
>Dr Ijaz Mian (Derby mosques): “You are in a situation in which you have to 
>live like a state within a state, until you take over.” 
>Comment:And we wonder why Muslims do not integrate? And waste time on 
>“Outreach” etc.
>
>Dr Ijaz Mian: “[The] Queen, [the] House of Commons … if you accept it, you are 
>part of it. If you don’t accept it, you have to dismantle it. So being a 
>Muslim, you have to fix a target. There will be no House of Commons … Muslims 
>just grow in strength … then take over.” 
>Comment: At least we know the plan … not that Western governments of any 
>political stripe seem to care.
>
>Anjem Choudhery: “One day the flag of Islam will fly over the White House… One 
>day the flag of Islam will fly over Downing Street … Buckingham Palace will 
>become a Mosque.” 
>Comment:honesty is so refreshing. “Andy” Choudhery is always clear in stating 
>his aims.
>
>Imam Amir-Abdel Malik-Ali (Masjid Al Islam mosque, Oakland, CA): “We must 
>implement Islam as a totality (in which) Allah controls every place… the home, 
>the classroom, the science lab, the halls of Congress.” 
>Comment: this is what full-blown Islam means. Everything, every act, every 
>thought, is subordinated to Islam. It makes Orwells’ dystopia “1984” look 
>benign and enlightened.
>
>Imam Siraj Wahhaj (Masjid Al-Taqwa mosque. Brooklyn, N.Y):“In time, this 
>so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. And the only 
>thing left will be Islam.” 
>Comment:and the world will return to the stone-age.
>
>Imam Zaid Shakir (Former Chaplain at Yale University): “Muslims cannot accept 
>the legitimacy of the existing American order, since it is against the orders 
>and ordainments of Allah.” 
>Comment:Don’t think that is limited to America – any non-Sharia governed order 
>must be overthrown.
>
>Omar Ahmad (Council on American Islamic Relations, CAIR, not an Iman, but a 
>“representative” of American Islam): “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to 
>any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of 
>scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only 
>accepted religion on earth…” 
>Comment: as above.
>
>Ihsan Bagby (CAIR, as above): “Ultimately, we (Muslims) can never be full 
>citizens of this country [America] … because there is no way we can be fully 
>committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country…”
>Comment: nor any other non-Sharia Country.
>
>Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris (Sheikh ‘Ijlin Mosque in Gaza) “We have ruled the world 
>before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world 
>again. The day will come when we will rule Britain.”
>
>Sheik Abu Imran: Just as we ruled many European lands… we are coming to take 
>back what belongs to us, to regain our land and purify it of unbelief and of 
>the unbelievers. We are coming with “There is no god but Allah.” We are coming 
>because we reject democracy. We do not accept democracy. We accept nothing but 
>the tawhid of Allah. We accept nothing but: “There is no god but Allah.” We 
>accept nothing but the shari’a of Allah. 
>Comment:Implicit herein is a threat to massacre all non-Muslims.
>
>Shaykh Safwat Hegazy (Egypt): “Jerusalem belongs to us and the whole world 
>belongs to us. Every land upon which Islam has set foot will return to us, the 
>Caliphate will return to us… the greatness and glory of Islam will return.”
>
>Dr. Muhammad Musa Al-Sharif (Saudi Arabia): “The only thing that the sheiks, 
>preachers, and scholars are demanding is that Islam rule the world once 
>again.” 
>Comment:and they want so little!
>
>Imam Ahmad Nawfal (Jordanian Imam): “If fundamentalist Muslims stand up, it 
>will be very easy for us to preside over this world once again.”
>
>Sheikh Sayyid Qutb: “It is Allah and not man who rules. Allah is the source of 
>all authority, including legitimate political authority. Virtue, not freedom, 
>is the highest value. Therefore, Allah’s law [Sharia], not man’s, should 
>govern the society.” 
>Comment:therefore all other governments, laws, societies and systems must be 
>overthrown.
>
>On war, terror, violence and jihad.
>
>Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed: “Britain is dar-ul Harb…There should be, will be, 
>new operations [terror attacks] in London, inshallah [god willing].” 
>Comment:why terrorist attacks? To “strike terror into the hearts” of the 
>Kaffirs, of course – and to deny them a legitimate target in return.
>
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Masri:You must know the cause of Allah and you musthelp that 
>cause in fighting, by fighting and when you fight you kill, you fight to 
>kill.” 
>Comment: He could not be much plainer could he? He is a “plain warner”. You 
>help the cause of Allah (“fee sabili Allahi”) by fighting and killing; not 
>building hospitals, nor schools for girls. You help Allah by killing Kaffirs.
>
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Masri: “Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it 
>is OK – even if there is no reason for it.” 
>Comment: killing Kaffirs is just fine and dandy with Allah.
>
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Masri: “It [murder-bombing] is not called suicide [in 
>Islam], this is called martyring, because if the only way to hurt the enemies 
>of Islam [is] by taking your life for that then it is allowed.” 
>Comment: if you can’t fight in an open Jihad against Kaffirs, it’s definitely 
>Okay to blow yourself up, provided you take some Kaffirs with you.
>
>Imam Abu Mounisa: “He [Mohammed] went and destroyed them [non-Muslims], killed 
>them, chopped their heads off, beheaded them! …We need to attack the leaders, 
>David Cameron, we need to attack him.” 
>Comment:If he was not a Muslim he would now be in gaol for incitement to 
>murder of the British Prime-Minister (as of 2010).
>
>Imam Abdullah el-Faisal (roving hate-preacher): “You have to bomb the Indian 
>businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically”. 
>Comment:as above.
>
>Imam Abdullah el-Faisal: “An army of Muslims will arise against the 
>non-Muslims in England”. 
>Comment:incitement to civil war, he too, were he a non-Muslim, would be 
>prosecuted and imprisoned for “hate-crime”s and sedition.
>
>Imam Abu Mounisa: “You need to provoke society for society to be changed…You 
>need to attack law and order… Every day we should attack their system, just 
>like the prophet did.” 
>Comment: again he incites violence against Britain, in particular the Police 
>and security services.
>
>Imam Latif (Sutton “Companions of the Mosque”): “We don’t have Muslim 
>terrorists… they do not exist.” 
>Comment: he’s right – according to Islam. They are not terrorists, they are 
>“Shaheeds” – murderers for Islam (seems a common theme in prisons, btw).
>
>Imam Abdul Alim Musa (Al Masjid mosque, Washington, D.C.) “If you don’t give 
>us justice. If you don’t give us equality. If you don’t give us our share of 
>America. If you don’t stay out of our way and leave us alone, we’re gonna burn 
>America down.” 
>Comment: a clear statement that (some) American Muslims want their own 
>state(s) and a separate society within America.
>
>Imam Muhammad Al-Asi (Former Imam at the Washington, D.C. Islamic Center): 
>“Now, all our Imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on 
>militarising the Muslim public … Only carrying arms will do this task.” 
>Comment:a ‘call to arms’ as a prelude to starting a civil war. 
>
>Nihad Awad (CAIR): “I am in support of the Hamas movement.” 
>Comment:Therefore you are a terrorist, possibly a “passive” one, but a 
>terrorist nevertheless.
>
>Dr. Esam Omeish (Muslim American Society, MAS): “You have learned the way, 
>that you have known that the jihad way is the way to liberate your land.” 
>Comment: a call for Muslim-Americans to wage jihad to “liberate” America from 
>the Kaffir.
>
>Sheikh Abu Ishak Al Huweini (Egypt): “The reason we are poor now is because we 
>have abandoned jihad. If only we can conduct a jihadist invasion [of a 
>non-Muslim Country] at least once a year … and if anyone prevents our dawa or 
>stands in our way, then we must kill them or take [them] as hostage and 
>confiscate their wealth, women and children. Such battles will fill the 
>pockets of the Mujahid who can return home with 3 or 4 slaves, 3 or 4 women 
>and 3 or 4 children. This can be a profitable business if you multiply each 
>head by 300 or 400 dirham. This can be like financial shelter whereby a 
>jihadist, in time of financial need, can always sell one of these heads 
>(meaning slaves). No one can make that much money in one deal (from hard work) 
>even if a Muslim goes to the West to work or do trade. In time of need, that 
>is a good resource for profit.” 
>Comment:thus today, in 2011, we still have a Muslim leader promoting 
>sex-slavery and despoilment of the non-Muslim as a “get-rich-quick” scheme for 
>Mussalmen.
>
>Edina Lekovic (Muslim Public Affairs Council, MPAC): “When we hear someone 
>refer to the great mujahid Osama bin Laden as a ‘terrorist’, we should defend 
>our brother and refer to him as a freedom fighter…” 
>Comment:To the Muslim there are no terrorists in Islam, just freedom fighters 
>and shaheeds. This despite the fact that ‘Mujhaid’ bin Laden’s organisation 
>killed more Muslims than non-Muslims.
>
>Shukri Abu Baker (Holy Land Foundation): “I swear by Allah that war is 
>deception… We are fighting our enemy … Deceive, camouflage, pretend you are 
>leaving while you’re walking that way. Deceive your enemy.” 
>Comment:A call to taqqiya – or Muda’rat – to deceive the Kaffirs as to the 
>intentions of the Muslims.
>
>Ayatollah Khomeini: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam 
>counsels against war. Those (who say this) are witless. Islam says: kill all 
>of the unbelievers as they would kill you all.”
>
>Sheikh Qaradawi: the army leadership is not a purely civil job. It is one of 
>the worship jobs in Islam becauseJihad is on top of the Islamic worship acts.” 
>Comment: Qaradawi is making clear that sword-jihad (the Muslim army is the 
>“sword of Islam”) is the most “holy” or devout worship act a Muslim can carry 
>out. 
>
>On al-War’a wal Bar’a (love and hate for Allah’s sake)
>
>Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed: “I belong [i.e. am loyal] to Islam. I did not 
>belong [i.e. owed loyalty] to Britain when I lived there. I refused to pledge 
>my allegiance to the Queen. I refused to swear that I would obey the Queen or 
>the laws. I obey only Allah and the messenger [Mohammed].” Note:the “pledge of 
>allegiance” is required for a foreign national requesting British citizenship. 
>Comment: Bakri clearly considers himself and indeed all Muslims “above” the 
>laws of Britain because they are not Sharia Law.
>
>Imam Abu Mounisa: “We should have the zeal in our hearts, for the sake of 
>Islam, to destroy all their [the non-Muslims'] system and replace it with 
>Islam.” 
>Comment: practical out-working of the doctrine of al-War’a wal Bar’a.
>
>Anjem Choudhery: “You must have allegiance where Sharia says you must have 
>allegiance, you must hate and love for the sake of Allah [al-War'a wal-Bar'a]. 
>So I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters wherever they are in the 
>World, I must have allegiance with them, I must cooperate with them, I must 
>love them… I must have hatred towards anything that is non-Islam.”
>Comment: this means, in part, “I must help, shelter and protect terrorists”.
>
>Anjem Choudhery: “As far a Muslims are concerned, their allegiance is always 
>with the Muslims, so I will never condemn a Muslim for what he does even if he 
>is an oppressor.” [Said in relation to the 7/7 London bombings]. 
>Comment: as above, note also that implicit here is that no matter how evil the 
>act of a Muslim, other Muslims must side with him/her against non-Muslims.
>
>Sheikh Mohammed Nassar (Egypt): “When a child is brought up in a good home and 
>receives a proper education in faith he loves martyrdom, which becomes like an 
>instinct to him and he can never give it up.” 
>Comment:this was part of achildren’s TV program with a live audience of 
>children. Martyr here means “mass murderer”.
>
>Sheik Abu Imran (Belgian Islamist): “Oh Sarkozy, enemy of Allah, dog of the 
>Romans, son of the unbeliever, we are on our way. We are on our way with 
>“Allah Akbar,” “Allah Akbar.” We are coming, with our nuclear bombs of “Allah 
>Akbar.” We are coming, with our black flags – the black flags of “There is no 
>god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” 
>Comment:the “black flag” of Islam is a war banner. It is a declaration of war 
>on the Kaffir.
>
>On Muslim “hypocrites”.
>
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Masri: “These [supporters and members of the Muslim 
>Parliament of Great Britain] are the pussy-cat Muslims,who do not understand 
>anything about Islam … What can the Muslim Parliament do? Just sit like 
>monkeys among the real MPs.” 
>Comment: the MPGB members are known as “moderates”. Here Bakri exposes them as 
>what they really are: half-hearted, un-knowledgeable believers – i.e. 
>“hypocrites” according to the Koran. 
>
>On Islamic tolerance and equality.
>
>Imam Arshad Misbahi (Manchester Central Mosque): “the execution of gay Muslims 
>is part of the central tenets of Islam: sex outside marriage is forbidden; 
>this is stated in the Koran and the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) 
>had stated that these punishments [murder] were due to such behaviours.’ 
>Comment: He knows his barbaric Sharia!
>
>Abu Usamah, (American convert, resident in UK): ‘If I were to call homosexuals 
>perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered … that’s my freedom of 
>speech, isn’t it?‘ 
>Comment: actually no. That crosses the line into incitement to murder (‘who 
>should be murdered’).
>
>Muhammad Rateb Al-Nabulsi (Syria): “Homosexuality involves a filthy place, and 
>does not generate offspring. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of the 
>homosexual. That is why, brothers, homosexuality carries the death penalty.”
>Comment: Another rampant Muslim homophobic rant.
>
>Sheikh Khalifa (Kenya): “We are asking Kenyans to shun businesses owned by 
>such people [homosexuals] and further show them open discrimination as a way 
>of stopping the beastly act. [they] should not be accepted among the society. 
>“Death is the only punishment prescribed by Islam for such people. We urge our 
>government to consider allowing us to use such methods to deal with the 
>dehumanising acts.” 
>Comment:murdering people isn’t “dehumanising” but being a homosexual is? 
>
>Imam Abu Hamza al-Misri: “If a kaffir person (non-Muslim) goes in a Muslim 
>country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law. …If 
>a kaffir is walking by and you catch him, he’s booty. You can sell him in the 
>market. …If Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just 
>kill them. It’s OK….I say the reality that’s in the Muslim books anyway. 
>Whether I say it or not, it’s in the books.” 
>Comment: (Unless you are an acknowledged dhimmi), you are fair game for 
>Muslims in Islamic Countries. You can be caught and treated as “ghanima” 
>(war-booty) and enslaved.
>
>Abu Usamah: ‘[women are] deficient, even if they have a PhD. Her intellect is 
>incomplete. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. 
>It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of a man.’ 
>Comment: How comforting for Usamah to know he’s so very superior to every 
>woman.
>
>Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf (former leader “ground-zero mosque” project): “I do not 
>believe in religious dialogue.”
>
>Dr. Abd Al-Aziz Fawzan Al-Fawzan (Suadi Arabia): “Someone who denies Allah, 
>worships Christ, son of Mary … do you like these things he says and does? 
>Don’t you hate the faith of such a polytheist? … Whoever says, ‘I don’t hate,’ 
>is not a Muslim. This is not racism, we don’t hate a polytheist because of his 
>colour, gender, blood, country. But, if this person is an infidel, even if 
>this person is my mother or father, Allah forbid, or my son or daughter, I 
>must hate him.” 
>Comment:in short, “hate the Kaffir, the non-Muslim”.
>
>Abu Bakr (Australian Cleric): “My religion [Islam] doesn’t tolerate another 
>religion. It doesn’t tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread, it can 
>be here or anywhere else, has to be Islam.”
>
>Jamaat-e-Islami spokesman (Pakistan): “Such people [homosexuals] are the curse 
>of society and social garbage, they don’t deserve to be Muslim or Pakistani.”
>Comment: Nothing like equal rights for all, no – seriously, NOTHING like equal 
>rights.
>
>Shaykh Muhammad Hassan (Egypt): “The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: ‘It is 
>not permissible (to shed) the blood of a Muslim who witnesses that there is no 
>god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, except for one of the 
>following three conditions … (Third), the one who abandons his religion, and 
>separates himself from the community.’ The hadith is in both of the Sahihs 
>(i.e. Bukhari and Muslim). ‘The one who abandons his religion, and separates 
>himself from the community.’ Islam does not compel anyone to enter it. This 
>(concept) needs to be firmly established. Islam does not compel anyone to 
>enter it. No. There is no compulsion in religion. But rather we preach (Islam) 
>in truth, mercy, propriety, and humility. Whoever says after the 
>preaching—whoever says after (receiving) the preaching and the call (to 
>Islam), “No, I will not enter this religion.” We say to him, “There is no 
>compulsion in religion.” Truth stands out clear
>from error. We recite the saying of Almighty Allah, “Let him who will believe, 
>and let him who will disbelieve” (Qur’an 18:29). We recite the saying of Allah 
>Almighty, “You have your religion and I have my religion” (Qur’an 109:6). 
>Beautiful. This is after the preaching and the call (to Islam). But if he 
>enters Islam of his own free will and choice, he does not have the right to 
>leave the religion of Allah whenever he wants, to shake the foundations of 
>Muslim society. No, he does not have the right. Absolutely not. But he does 
>have the right, after having (Islam) preached to him, to say, “I will enter” 
>or “I will not enter this religion.” But to enter it just to leave it whenever 
>he wants? No. This is something which is unacceptable in the religion of 
>Almighty Allah. Show me a constitution anywhere on earth which grants this for 
>its citizens. But rather whoever comes out against the constitution of any 
>nation is accused of treason.
>Everyone familiar with treason knows that the penalty is death. So what do you 
>think about the one who betrays the religion of Allah Almighty, the one who 
>betrays Allah and His Messenger? “O ye who believe! Do not betray Allah and 
>His Messenger, nor knowingly betray your trusts” (Qur’an 8:27).” 
>Comment: Here we see how Islam interprets the “no compulsion in religion” 
>verse, regards apostasy as a “betrayal” of Islam (rather than a matter of 
>personal choice) or as “treason” (because Islam acknowledges no separation 
>between temporal and spiritual authority) and how Islam supports the murder of 
>apostates. It is also worth noting that the Sheikh makes no mention of the 
>fact that if you refuse to convert you are required to become a Dhimmi, which 
>means that whilst you do get to keep your religion, you lose your citizenship.
>
>Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, (the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia): “[it is] 
>necessary to destroy all the churches of the region [Arabian Peninsula].” 
>Note: The Grand Mufti made his assertion in response to a question posed by a 
>delegation from Kuwait: a Kuwaiti parliament member recently called for the 
>“removal” of churches (he later “clarified” by saying he merely meant that no 
>churches should be built in Kuwait), and the delegation wanted to confirm 
>Sharia’s position on churches. Accordingly, the Grand Mufti “stressed that 
>Kuwait was a part of the Arabian Peninsula, and therefore it is necessary to 
>destroy all churches in it.” 
>Comment:thus we see how Islam reacts to other faiths within its own borders.
>
>On correct Muslim behaviour.
>
>Imam Omar Shahin (Tucson, Arizona Islamic Center): “A Muslim must try his best 
>to abide by the rulings of Sharia (Islamic law) whenever possible as much as 
>he can. He should not allow himself to be liable to those western laws that 
>contradict the clear-cut Islamic rulings.” 
>Comment:this is a reference to the doctrines of Tayseer (“ease”) and Darura 
>(“necessity”) – dispensations from following Sharia, born out of necessity – 
>or more accurately, to not over-using this dispensation. In other words it is 
>an obligation to hew as closely to Sharia as possible and (implicitly) to seek 
>to extend Sharia’s sway when possible -e.g. get all Public institutions to 
>offer Halal food as the default, get Muslim-only sessions in Libraries, 
>swimming-pools etc., object to overt displays of Xtian (etc.) symbolism and so 
>forth.
>
>Sheikh Muhammed Al-Munajid (Saudi Arabia): “A wife needs to comply with her 
>husband’s desires in bed. This is why he [Allah] ordered the wife to consent 
>to her husband. The wife must consent to her husband’s wishes and obey him. 
>The wife in the West is not obliged to do so. Moreover, a wife can be raped by 
>her husband there.They claim that if he has sex with her against her will, 
>this is rape! They consider this rape! They claim she must be willing! They 
>claim she must want it! Therefore the wife doesn’t submit [to] the man 
>whenever he wants. 
>Comment (sarcastic):fancy thinking that sex with an unwilling woman is rape! 
>Whatever next? Not being allowed to beat the cr*p out of them if they don’t 
>submit to you?
>
>Zakir Naik (In Pakistan): “If a Muslim becomes non-Muslim and propagates 
>his/her new religion then there is a death penalty in Islam for such a 
>person.” 
>Comment: In this case, Naik is rationalising apostasy as “treason” to the 
>Umma, but he still maintains it is right to murder people for leaving Islam. 
>This from a “moderate” Muslim.
>
>Marzan Al-Sarsawi (Egypt): “Someone who converted and got a taste of the 
>perfection of Islam is not allowed to leave the fold of Islam whenever he 
>feels like it.”
>Comment: true, he’s murdered to stop him leaving.
>Although not an “Imam” of any sort, this woman extolling using women for 
>sex-slavery (provided they aren’t Muslim of course) was too dreadful to 
>overlook.
>
>Salwa Al-Mteiri (Kuwait): “The Mufti [in Saudi Arabia] that it requires that 
>there to be a Muslim Country raiding [=Razia] a Christian Country, sorry, a 
>non-Muslim one and taking PoWs… He said that Islam does not prohibit having 
>slave-girls. On the contrary. The law pertaining to slave girls is not the 
>same as for free women. … With the free woman the man must make a 
>marriage-contract, but with a slave-girl all he has to do is buy her. It’s as 
>if he married her. [Kuwaiti scholars said] that for the average, good 
>religious man the only way to avoid forbidden relations with women is to 
>purchase slave girls. …I very much hope that such a law is legislated… they 
>should allow slave girls. We don’t want our children to fall into the abyss of 
>fornication and similar filth, god forbid. There are Countries like Chechnya 
>which are at war with another Country. In such cases there must be PoWs, so 
>why not go and buy these prisoners? Is it better for
>them to be slaughtered over there? Go and buy them and sell them to traders 
>here in Kuwait.” 
>Comment: O where to begin? Just to hit the lowest of the low points: here we 
>have a Muslim woman advocating the capture of foreign women for the 
>sex-slavery – with the proviso that they aren’t Muslim of course. She 
>re-defines the meaning of “PoW” to be “any woman you can capture” and 
>implicitly states that Muslims murder their PoWs (as has happened in 
>Afghanistan to captured Western troops). The worst of it is that what she says 
>is all in accordance with the Koran and Sharia law. Further she regards the 
>repeated rape of a slave as preferable to consensual sex outside marriage. And 
>Muslims call others “immoral”!
>
>Sheikh Majid Khadduri: “The term spoil (ghanima) is applied specifically to 
>property acquired by force from non-Muslims. It includes, however, not only 
>property (movable and immovable) but also persons, whether in the capacity of 
>asra (prisoners of war) or sabi (women and children). … If the slave were a 
>woman, the master was permitted to have sexual connection with her as a 
>concubine.” 
>Comment:Let’s be clear: Khadduri is advocating that Muslims use force to 
>despoil non-Muslims, taking their land, goods, chattels, men (as slaves – if 
>they survive the process of castration which was commonly applied), their 
>women (as sex-slaves to be raped whenever the “master” wants) and their 
>children (as child-slaves and sex-slaves) – think Aisha: if its good enough to 
>marry a six year old girl-child and have sex with her at nine then the 
>“master” can, I presume, have sex with a nine-year old girl-slave too; not to 
>mention “thighing” at any age). 
>
>Imam Mas’oud Anwar (Egypt): Wisdom and compassion require that a killer be put 
>to death, that a married adulterer be stoned, and that the hand of a thief be 
>chopped off. That is true compassion. Chopping off the treacherous hand of a 
>thief, to protect the entire nation, is compassion, mercy, and wisdom. 
>Comment:Thus Islam has an “interesting” definition of “compassion” – 
>Compassion as murder.
>
>Marzan Al-Sarsawi: “you tell them [non-Muslims] to convert, [if] they refuse, 
>you tell them to pay the jizya [if] they refuse it means they have evil 
>intentions, [so] fine, we will fight them.” 
>Comment:the “jizya”, a special ‘head-tax’ for non-Muslims – it allows you to 
>keep your head on your shoulders. “Evil intentions”, such dreadful things like 
>preserving liberty and freedom.
>
>Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni: “Whoever insults the Prophet (PBUH), if he later 
>comes and apologizes, and kisses the shoes (of the ruler), and says, ‘I want 
>all Muslims, every one, to return and strike me with the soles of their 
>feet’—does the ruler have the right to accept this? I bring up this question, 
>as it was asked of me. The answer is that it is not permissible for anyone to 
>accept this. Then what do we do with him? We kill him! But he told you that he 
>repented. We still kill him, even if he repents!” 
>Comment: The merciful attitude of Islam revealed again.
>
>Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi: The Islamic shari’ah governs all of the actions of 
>those who are obligated (to it). There is no act or occurrence which exists 
>without a corresponding ruling from one of the five shari’ah rulings 
>(obligatory, recommended, prohibited, reprehensible, or permitted). This has 
>been confirmed by fundamentalists and scholars from every faction and school 
>of thought associated with Islam… Whoever reads the books of the Islamic 
>shari’ah, I mean the books of Islamic jurisprudence, in its different schools 
>of thought, will find that they comprise all of the affairs of life, from the 
>jurisprudence of purity, to that of the family, society, and the state. This 
>is very clear for every elementary student, not to mention those in the world 
>who are more capable.” 
>Comment: Thus the governance of Sharia is all embracing.
>
>On Sex.
>
>In response to a gang rape, the Chief Mufti of Australia said, “If she was in 
>her room, in her home, in her Hijab, no problem would have occurred. The Koran 
>gives a similar justification for a head to toe covering for women, “O 
>Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to 
>draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies that they may thus be 
>distinguished and not molested.” (Koran 33:59) 
>Comment: thus any woman who isn’t burkha’d is definitely asking, nay begging, 
>to be gang-raped according to the ‘Imam’. You will note there is not the 
>slightest condemnation of the rapists here.
>
>A Kurdistani Mullah: “Allah says if a woman disobeys her husband he has the 
>right to beat her, but the lashes should be according to the Sharia … The 
>issue of female circumcision in Kurdistan. The mothers and sisters of more 
>than half of your party members were circumcised. This means that you insult 
>your own grandmother. You insult your own mother. You accuse them of 
>ignorance. Circumcision [FGM] is a tenant of Islamic law (sharia).” 
>Comment:Many Muslims claim that FGM has a social basis – not that that is any 
>better – but this Sheikh gives the lie to that claim. FGM is based in the 
>Sharia.
>
>On anti-semitism.
>
>Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi chief theologian of the Muslim Brotherhood: “Oh Allah, 
>take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a 
>single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the 
>very last one.” He also declared: “Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon 
>the people [Jews] who would punish them for their corruption. The last 
>punishment was carried out by [Adolf] Hitler.” 
>Comment:Islamic jew-hatred alive and well in the 14st Islamic century – just 
>like every other Islamic century.
>
>Yusuf al-Qaradawi:“Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon them (Jews), 
>people who would punish them for their corruption. The last was Hitler …. 
>Allah willing, the next time will be at the hands of believers (Muslims).” 
>Comment:This sounds alarmingly like a call for another holocaust.
>
>Imam Miqdam Al-Khadhari (Egypt):This is a very important book, a textbook 
>reader … at Al-Azhar. …the book moves to a topic with a large title, as clear 
>as day: “The Treachery of the Jews.” This title shows what the student is 
>about to learn. It is not talking about something marginal. It’s an important 
>topic. I haven’t seen any curriculum that presents this subject so explicitly. 
>This is the curriculum of 2008. I’m not talking about something ancient. This 
>is now! It’s a textbook from this year or last year. The next title, right 
>after “The Treachery of the Jews” – I think that the camera can show the 
>title… I’d like you to read it, dear brothers… “Islamic Jihad and Its Various 
>Forms.” They teach these topics so that the student will be militarized when 
>he graduates [from Al-Azhar].” 
>Comment: by “militarised” he means indoctrinated to hate Jews (along with all 
>other non-Muslims, but mostly Jews).
>
>Imam Unis Al-Astal: “The Jews are brought in droves to Palestine so that the 
>Palestinians and the Islamic nation [Umma, i.e. ALL Muslims] behind them will 
>have the honour of annihilating the evil of this gang. [All other threats] are 
>less dangerous than the Jews. In a few years all the Zionists and settlers 
>will realise that their arrival in Palestine was for the purpose of the great 
>massacre by means of which Allah wants to relieve humanity of their evil. When 
>Palestine is liberated and its people return to it and the entire region, with 
>the grace of Allah, will have turned into the United states of Islam, the land 
>of Palestine will become the capital of the Islamic Caliphate and all these 
>Countries will turn in to states within the Caliphate. When this happens any 
>Palestinian will be able to live anywhere, because the land of Islam is the 
>property of all Muslims. Until this happens we must reject all the 
>resettlement plans, naturalisations, or even
>reparations prior to the return of the refugees.” 
>Comment:There is a lot here, the usual anti-Semitism, the fact that all the 
>land of the Dar-ul-Islam is solely the property of Muslims (irrespective of 
>who’s living there). Also an admission that the “Palestinian refugees” are 
>self-selecting – they will refuse any naturalisation etc.
>
>Sheikh Hussein Ye (Malaysia): “Always in the Koran when it says ‘magndub’ 
>[cursed] (or) ‘ghadab’ [hated] it goes to the Jews.” 
>Comment:thus anti-semitism is institutionalised in Islam by the Koran.
>
>Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis (Imam at the Grand Mosque in Mecca): “The scum of 
>the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, 
>the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs [ are the 
>Jews].”
>
>Sheikh Saad al-Beraik (Saudia Arabia), “Muslim brothers in Palestine, do not 
>have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their 
>flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why 
>don’t you enslave their women? Why don’t you wage jihad? Why don’t you pillage 
>them?”
>
>The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (2012): “our war with the descendants of the apes 
>and pigs [i.e. Jews] is a war of religion and faith… since Umar came and 
>continuing until the end of days, the reliable Hadith [of] Bukhari and Muslim 
>says: ‘The hour will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide 
>behind stones or trees, then the stones or trees will call: “Oh Muslim, 
>servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!” Except for the 
>Gharqad tree, therefore it is no wonder that you see gharqads surrounding the 
>settlements and colonies [of Jews].” 
>Note: Caliph Umar captured Jerusalem in 637 A.D.
>
>Hazem Shuman (Egypt), 2012: [After castigating Egyptians for not fighting 
>Jews, assuring Jews that all 85 million Egyptians hate them and want them 
>dead, he finishes with] “Jews are a cancer. These Jews are a catastrophe. 
>There is not a catastrophe in the world that is not the handiwork of the Jews. 
>These Jews are a cancer in the body of planet Earth, and if permitted, it will 
>spread and infect the entire body. Getting rid of these Jews is a must.”
>
>Other “interesting” quotes.
>
>Imam Muhammad Hassan (Egypt): “We are talking about the principles of the 
>shari’a. The truth is that democracy in the Western sense is for the people to 
>rule itself in disregard for the law of Allah, and this I do not accept.” 
>Comment: In other words the only form of ‘democracy’ permissible under Islam 
>is one that conforms to Sharia Law, a-la Iran.
>
>Sheik Nasr Farid Wassel (Egypt): “The martyr Bin Laden, Allah’s mercy upon 
>him, waged Jihad for the sake of Allah against the Soviets and against 
>America…There was a call at the Al-Nour Mosque to pray for the soul of Bin 
>Laden since he is a martyr. But I said that we were forbidden to pray for the 
>soul of a martyr and that Bin Laden lives on. He is not dead. “Do not consider 
>those who were killed for the sake of Allah to be dead. They live on, 
>sustained by their Lord.”” 
>Comment: And I thought that (some of) the mosques weren’t praying for OBL 
>because they did not agree with his actions. Oh silly me!
>
>Shaykh ‘Abd-al-’Azim (Egypt): I want to say that democracy is a bad idea. We 
>should not feel ashamed to say it. It is a bad, backward, and retarded idea, 
>which is taken from Greece. Democracy is spoken of like it’s a modern 
>discovery, but it’s not. Even the freedoms, what are they? Among the freedoms 
>inherent in the democratic system are freedom for women, freedom of ownership, 
>freedom of homosexuality, personal freedom, freedom of conscience and 
>expression,freedom to disbelieve in the Creator of Heaven and Earth. There’s 
>mixing (of men and women), usury, all of this is in democracy, which is why I 
>condemn it.
>Comment: In Islam, therefore, there is no freedom for women, personal freedom, 
>freedom of speech or religion etc. 
>
>Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed: “Islam allows me to take the benefits the system 
>offers. I’m fully eligible. It is very difficult for me to get a job. Anyway, 
>most of the leadership of the Islamic movement is on [state] benefit.’” 
>Comment: nice to know he was not adverse to getting hand-outs from the Kaffir 
>he hated and despised. Also note that he and most of the Islamist leadership 
>is unemployable – I wonder why?
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