temen gua yg kristen protestan banyak yg cerdas dan santun.
ngga tau kenapa, di prol yg ada malah yg kayak si item gini.
atau si item justru representasi dari kebanyakan kresten protestan yg
sebenarnya?
mudah2an sih bukan.
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> wrote:
>
> Sesuai dengan omongan Johnny indo.....kalo elu mau promosi agama elu (kresten
> protestan)
> ya tunjukkanlah bahwa umat kresten protestan itu cerdas dan santun.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: item abu <itemabu@...>
> To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent
> to animals?
>
>
> Â
> Lu mau kaing2 kayak apapun, faktanya adalah kata ganti yg dipake unt ngerefer
> "milik tangan kanan" itu adalah kata ganti unt benda atau binatang. Jadi
> auloh bilang lu halal ngembat binatang milik tangan kanan lu.
>
> Ga bisa bantah dgn apa yg ada di jihadwatch.org lalu lu kaing2 kayak anjing
> kejepit buntut, ga beda dgn si habe yg kaing2 dia punya 2 buku Robert Spencer
> tp ga bisa bantah apa2.
>
> Yg tukang ngibul itu adalah orang Islam krn auloh ngehalalin ngibul dan emang
> auloh jg ngaku sbg tukang tipu.
>
> Apa bukannya lu yg kaing2 nabi pedophile lu ngebebasin 7000 budak tp ga
> ngasih referensi sama sekali yg nunjukin bhw lu ngibul?
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...>
> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:30 PM
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent
> >to animals?
> >
> >
> >Â
> >Omong kosong lu baca yang kagak masuk akal jihadwatch.org
> >sampah itu yang lu sumpelin keotak lu,buka otaklu lebar2 makanya
> >debat kok cuma pantat melulu yang elu bawa2
> >
> >sesuai dengan omongan Johnny indo.....kalo elu mau promosi agama elu
> >(kresten protestan)
> >ya tunjukkanlah bahwa umat kresten protestan itu cerdas dan santun.
> >
> >terus2an nyerang islam, atau bilang katolik itu brengsek,
> >ngga bakalan bikin orang simpati sama agama yg lagi elu jual, yg terjadi
> >malah jadi sebaliknya.
> >
> >elu itu salesman paling goblok yg pernah gua tau.
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: item abu <itemabu@...>
> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:52 AM
> >Subject: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to
> >animals?
> >
> >
> >Â
> >Islam ngehalalin orang Islam (cowoknya, bukan ceweknya) ngembat apa yg jadi
> >milik tangan kanannya. Kata ganti yg dipakai di "milik tangan kanan" adalah
> >kata
> >ganti unt benda atau binatang, bukan kata ganti unt orang.
> >Â
> >Apa artinya dgn dipakainya kata ganti unt benda atau binatang ini?
> >Â
> >Ada 2 kemungkinan, pertama budak itu dianggap sbg binatang, bukan sbg
> >manusia.
> >Ini masuk akal, krn kalo bini aja bisa digarap sesuka hati dan digebukin
> >kalo
> >dicurigai ga setia, apalagi budak.
> >Â
> >Yg kedua, auloh emang ngehalalin ngembat binatang milik tangan kanan orang
> >Islam. Ini jg masuk akal, krn ahli2 Islam suka ngomong bhw kontol itu hrs
> >dicuci
> >kalo habis ngembat binatang yg berarti binatang itu emang boleh diembat.
> >Â
> >Tinggal pilih aja mau yg mana, kan di Islam itu banyak penafsiran Quran yg
> >katanya detil dan jelas, orang Islam tinggal ngikutin aja penafsirannya
> >masing2,
> >ga usah takut unt dibantai oleh orang Islam yg ngikutin penafsiran yg lain
> >selama ybs lbh kuat secara militer dibandingkan dgn yg lain.
> >Â
> >http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/raymond-ibrahim-are-slave-girls-in-islam-equivalent-to-animals.html
> >Â
> >Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to animals?
> >Â
> >Many are now aware that the Koranâ"that is, Allahâs wordâ"permits, not
> >just polygamy, but forced concubinage (sex with captive women), according
> >to Koran 4:3: âMarry such women as seem good to you, two and three and
> >four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then only one, or what
> >your right hands possess [captive women taken in war].â There is,
> >however, an interesting, and very telling, linguistic aspect to this verse
> >that is often overlookedâ"or intentionally obscured. The Arabic states:
> >âAnkahu [marry]â¦ma [what] malakat [possess] aymankum [your right
> >hands].â
> >Â
> >Oddly enough, the Arabic relative pronoun used to indicate these captive
> >women is "ma": ma malakat aymankum, literally, âwhat your right hands
> >possessâ (see Shakirâs acclaimed English translation which most
> >literally translates this). In Arabic, when one refers to a rational being
> >(i.e., a human), the word used is min, which means âwho(ever)â; ma, on
> >the other hand, refers only to things or animalsâ"trees, rocks, dogs and
> >catsâ"very much similar to the English âit.â Thus, in proper Arabic
> >the phrase might have been min malakat aymankum: âwho(ever) your rights
> >hands possess.â
> >Â
> >For long I assumed this was but a stylistic matter. However, the highly
> >revered Islamic scholar al-Qurtubi (d.1273) also makes this observation in
> >vol. 5, p.12 of his authoritative 20-volume Tafsir Al Koran (Exegesis of
> >the Koran). He points out that members of the human race should be referred
> >to with min (who), whereas only âinanimate objectsâ or âbrute
> >beastsâ should be referred to with ma (what).
> >Â
> >Does this suggest that the Koranâs Arabicâ"touted as the most perfect
> >Arabicâ"is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need
> >they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords well
> >with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same
> >category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example, records
> >Muhammad saying âWomen, dogs, and donkeys annul a manâs prayer.â
> >Indeed, in Qurtubiâs same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after examining such
> >hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a sheepâ"even a cow or a
> >camelâ"for all are ridden.â
> >Â
> >Posted by Raymond on December 14, 2008 5:25 PM | 37 Comments
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