Hehehe... lulusan pesantren yg ga tau mathan ini bisa ngoceh soal ayat Quran.
>________________________________ > From: pinpinyuliansyah <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:43 PM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Islamic Heaven (arra_s yang termasuk perempuan paling >dungu didunia..) > > > >Plik, 72 bidadari itu masuknya ayat mutasyabihat plik . . . Bukan muhkamat. >Emangnua elo pikir di sorga ada rendang padang ? Jeee . . . > >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: >> >> >> Yang menyedihkan sebenarnya adalah ada perempuan super dungu kayak arra_s >> yang mau berharap masuk sorga Islami itu: lha kapan dia bisa ngentot di >> sorga mengingat ada 72 bidadari perawan abadi yang menyainginya? >> >> Dan didunia dia juga dihina dan direndahkan oleh ajaran najis Islam itia: >> dia cuma jadi sekedar lobang buat dientotin suaminya: boleh digebukin dan >> diperlakuan sebagai ladang oleh suaminya dan bukan sebagai manusia... >> >> >> --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> > >> > Gua udah suruh orang Islam unt cepat2 mati sbg syuhada spy bisa langsung >> > menikmati sorga Islam yg penuh dgn cewek2 bidadari perawan abadi dancowok >> > muda cantik, anehnya, ga ada yg mau unt cepat mati sahid, padahal mati >> > sahid itu ga susah, minum aja air wudhu lalat tiap hari tanpa minum obat >> > kafir, gua jamin dlm beberapa minggu jg akan mati sahid. >> > >> > >> > Drpd cuma mimpi2 basah berkhayal ngentotin bidadari perawan abadi, kan lbh >> > baik langsung beraksi di sorga setelah mati sahid. >> > >> > Nabi aja sampe sekarang msh belum masuk sorga berhubung ga mati sahid, tp >> > mati di pelukan ABG, bisa mendahului nabi itu kan sebuah prestasi yg >> > sangat membanggakan. Jadi kenapa orang Islam ga cepat2 mati sahid? >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/79-mirza/1106-islamic-heaven.html >> > >> > Islamic Heaven >> > by Syed Kamran Mirza >> > 09 Oct, 2007 >> > >> > >> > >> > Some so called modern Islamic apologists often try to fool the western >> > infidels that Islam is a very simple religion and Islam never lures >> > Muslims with erotic heavenly pleasures. Nothing could be furthest from >> > the truth then this ridiculous claim of Islamists. Let's examine very >> > closely the facts about Islamic heaven. >> > >> > If we research on the heavens of world's five famous religions this >> > is what we can learn: Both Judaism and Christianity >> > talk about >> > heaven but do not describe what is in there! Hinduism >> > talks about >> > heaven and give some earthly material pleasures but >> > does not go any >> > further. Buddhism does not believe in after-life, and >> > do not have >> > any hell or heaven. They believe hell and heaven exists >> > on this >> > earth. >> > >> > But Islam emphatically describes many forms of heavens (at least 8 >> > of them with various status/classes) with plenty of >> > earthly greed's >> > and lusting/erotic pleasures which not many human >> > beings (made of >> > soil) can refuse to get it. Muslims devoutly pray at >> > least five >> > times (some pray even 10 times) a day, visit Mekka and >> > fawns Pirs >> > and Darbishes (Saints) just to get the ultimate ticket >> > for those >> > lustful happiness of heavens. >> > >> > In my childhood I asked our Huzur (Imam of the Mosque) what exactly >> > will be the likes of heavenly rewards from Allah for >> > which all >> > Muslims are fawning Allah by five times prayers per >> > day, and fasting >> > for one month. The Imam shaheb replied: "after your >> > death you will be resurrected again as an healthy young man of 25 year >> > old. There in the heaven you will be given beautiful Houris/Gillman, >> > wine, and plenty of foods to eat. You will stay young for ever and death, >> > disease will never come near you again." Folks, all those Islamic >> > Mullahs, Maoulanas, all those Jihadis of Kashmir, Palestine, >> > Osama-Bin-Laden's terrorist gang, and all other gullible Muslims ardently >> > believe just that. >> > >> > Islamic Allah and Prophet Muhammad frequently promised believers of >> > Islam with lustful heavens and erotic pleasures of >> > various kinds >> > which we shall encounter later in this essay. Holy >> > Quran got >> > hundreds of such verses, and myriad's of Sahih Hadiths >> > dealing >> > Houris and wine and sex for those pious Muslims. Truth >> > of the matter >> > is myth (superstitions), sex and violence are the main >> > pillars of >> > Islam. Below are some samples of divine promises from >> > the Merciful >> > Allah and Compassionate Prophet of Islam. >> > >> > >> > Quranic verses (Translated by Maolana A. Yousuf Ali) that promises Heaven >> > with Houris, Sex, and Wine for the pious Muslims: >> > >> > Quran-(52:17-20): "They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in >> > ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely >> > eyes." "There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from >> > any Laghw-." >> > >> > Quran: (37:40-48): -they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as >> > chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches. >> > >> > Quran: (44:51-55):Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful >> > virgins). >> > >> > Quran: (55:56-57): In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn >> > will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you >> > deny? >> > >> > Quran-(55:72): "Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;" >> > >> > Quran: (78:31-32): "As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their >> > gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) >> > virgins for >> > companions, truly overflowing cup" >> > >> > Quran-(78: 33-34):"And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, >> > and a full cup of wine." >> > >> > Quran-(55:57-58): "Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both >> > (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral". >> > >> > Quran-(56:34-37): " -we created the houris and made them virgins, loving >> > companions for those on the right hand-." >> > >> > Quran-(55:70-77): " In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair-.dark >> > eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have >> > touched before-" >> > >> > Quran-56:22: "And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives >> > for the pious)" >> > >> > Quran-(56: 35-36): "Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special >> > creation. And made them Virgins." >> > >> > Quran- (55:56): "Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females >> > restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom >> > no man or jinni has had tamth before them." >> > >> > Quran: (2:25): "And give glad tidings to those who believe and do >> > righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers >> > flow (Paradise)---.and they will be given these things in resemblance >> > (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have >> > therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they >> > will have abide therein forever". >> > >> > Quran:(47:15): "The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been >> > promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which >> > are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers >> > of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey---." >> > >> > >> > Now some Sahih Hadiths >> > >> > The main themes of the Jihad are: if Jihadi Muslims survive the >> > battle, they secure concubines and plenty of booty, but >> > if they fall >> > (die), they are sure to enter paradise full of houris, >> > wine and >> > living in the most luxurious environment. >> > >> > TIRMZI, vol. 2 states on page 138: Every man who enters paradise shall be >> > given 72 (seventy-two) houris; no matter at what age he had died, when he >> > is admitted into paradise, he will become a thirty-year-old, and shall >> > not age any further. A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to >> > that of one hundred men. >> > >> > Ghilman (Young Boys): In sura: (52:24) Allah promises to supply young >> > diamond-sparkling beautiful boys for some inhabitants of Islamic heavens. >> > Some deceitful western living mullahs will argue that these boys are >> > there to serve drinks to the pious inhabitants of the heavens and not for >> > having sex by those Beduin homosexual Jihadi Martyrs. They also will argue >> > that Koran did not specify that these Ghilman (young boys) will be used >> > as sex partners by Martyrs, i.e., it was not said so in the Quran. Well, >> > Koran also did not specify what those Martyrs/pious Muslims suppose to do >> > with the wide-eyed, firmed, swollen breast, white skinned beautiful >> > houris! Your parent gets you married a beautiful young lady, and parents >> > never say what you suppose to do with your wife, do they? Decietful >> > Mullah's logic/excuse that these Ghilman could be there as the waiters >> > just to serve drinks and food does not sound right. I don't think it is >> > the purpose of >> > supplying young boys just to be the waiters. Waiters could be adult >> > person instead of pearl-sparkling everlasting young boys! Is not it folks? >> > >> > >> > The Sex Market of Heaven (Islamic brothel) according to Ihya Uloom Ed-Din >> > >> > Allah has arranged for Pious Muslims a non-stop and non-interrupted >> > sex in Islamic heavens because Mullahs will remain busy >> > only with >> > unlimited sex and wine for billions of years to come. >> > These are >> > rewards from the merciful Allah for killing and >> > torturing those >> > enemies of Allah by Mumeen Muslims. >> > >> > In the Hadiths the Prophet Muhammad gave the believers a final >> > choice of a open sex market in heaven where there will >> > be no limit >> > of the number of sexual partners. Women are in display >> > like open >> > fruit market. Hadith: Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, >> > No.34: Hozrot >> > Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, >> > "There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or >> > selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, >> > at once he will have intercourse with them as desired. >> > >> > In this open sex market of heaven one can easily imagine what type >> > of fun is going to happen there. Say one particular day >> > of >> > heaven-one very pious Muslim (who prayed five times a >> > day and >> > visited Mecca) who has been permitted to the best of >> > Islamic heaven. >> > There one day he decided to visit (out of curiosity) >> > the famous sex >> > market of heaven, and when he reached there, he found >> > out that all >> > his great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, >> > brothers also >> > were there visiting "Islamic Brothel" called heavenly >> > sex market. >> > Now, they all got excited by the paragon beauty of >> > heavenly houris >> > with very swollen breasts, dark eyes and fair skin. The >> > great great >> > grandfather will command all his descendents family >> > members to feel >> > free to enjoy the sweet taste of houris. In that case >> > the great >> > great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers-they >> > all will start simultaneous orgy of sexual intercourse right in front of >> > each others. Can you imagine that terrific scenery folks? Allah is really >> > great and merciful indeed! >> > >> > Now Some Descriptions of Houris from Quran and hadiths >> > >> > Quran-(78: 33-34) The houris are ever-young full-breasted (mature) >> > maidens of equal age having swelling >> > (protruding/pointed) bosoms, and a full cup of wine." >> > >> > Quran- (55:56): "Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste >> > females restraining their glances, desiring none except >> > their >> > husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before >> > them." >> > >> > MISHKAT, (volume three Says on pages 83-97): If a houri looks down >> > from her abode in heaven onto the earth, the whole >> > distance (space) >> > shall be filled with light and fragrance. A houri's >> > face is more >> > radiant than a mirror, and one can see one's image in >> > her cheek. The >> > marrow of her shins is visible to the eyes. >> > >> > TIRMZI, volume two (p 35-40): A houri is a most beautiful young >> > woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones >> > is visible >> > like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks >> > like red >> > wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free >> > from the >> > routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such >> > as >> > menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, >> > child bearing >> > and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender >> > age, having >> > large breasts which are round (pointed), and not >> > inclined to dangle. >> > Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings. >> > >> > Here are some incredible stuff in heaven waiting for Mumeen Muslims. >> > >> > Book by the great Imam Ghazzali: Ihya Uloom Ed-Din. The Sunnis >> > consider this epic as next to Quran. >> > >> > Volume 4, Page-4.430 >> > "According to Prophet Muhammad (SW) the Hurs of Paradise will be >> > pure women-free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough >> > and children. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and >> > praise-we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honored husbands. >> > >> > Muhammad said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual >> > strength of 70 men. Muhammad said, "An inmate of >> > Paradise will have >> > 500 Hurs, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed >> > women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole >> > worldly life." >> > >> > P-4.431 >> > Muhammad said, "If an inmate of Paradise will wish to have a son >> > born to him, he will get it. It stays in womb, its >> > weaning away from >> > milk and its youth will come to pass at the same time." >> > Muhammad >> > said, "The inmates of Paradise will be beardless and >> > hairless. Their >> > color will be white and their eyes painted with >> > collyrium. They will >> > be youth of 33 years of age. They will be sixty cubits >> > long and >> > seven cubits broad." >> > >> > More good stuff from the famous book of Imam Ghazali (Ihya Uloom Ed-Din) >> > >> > Who will go to paradise first? >> > >> > (P1.117; P.1.149-150; p.1.181) >> > It is compulsory to believe in Paradise and Hell. Unconditional >> > Paradise is assured for him who works as an Imam in a >> > mosque. A >> > Muazzin (crier of prayer) will enter Paradise >> > unconditionally after >> > his service of forty years. Your Imam is the >> > representative of God >> > on your behalf. An Imam stands between God and His >> > servants. Pray >> > behind an Imam to enter Paradise. You can knock at the >> > door of >> > Paradise through fasting. >> > >> > p.3.204 >> > >> > Muhammad said, 'The poor refugees will enter Paradise five hundred years >> > before the rich refugees. The poor believers will enter Paradise before >> > the rich believers. They will be engaged in enjoyment of food and drink >> > when the rich will remain down on their knees. God will say, "I have got >> > questions to ask you: You have wielded power over men. You were kings and >> > rulers over them. Now inform me what actions have you done with the gifts >> > I gave you."' [Key factor why Muslims all over the world are damn poor]. >> > >> > p.3.205 >> > >> > Muhammad said, "Those who will be the chiefs in Paradise among the >> > believers are those who could not procure their night meal after morning >> > meal, who did not get any loan when asked for, who had no cloth except >> > what they got to cover their shame and who could not procure even their >> > necessary things, yet they were satisfied with their Lord at all times. >> > They were those persons on whom God showered His blessing-the prophets, >> > the truthful, the martyrs and the religious people." [Key factor why >> > Muslims all over the world are damn poor]. >> > >> > p.3.210 >> > Muhammad said, "Shall I not inform you of the dwellers of Paradise?-every >> > weak and neglected man. If he is given oath in the name of God, makes him >> > to fulfill it. Shall I not inform you of the inmates of Hell?-every >> > proud, haughty and harsh man." >> > >> > Muhammad said, "Those who are disheveled in hair, dust ridden, dressed in >> > torn and tattered clothes, hated by people, those who are not given >> > permission to go to the ruler when prayed for, who are not given girls in >> > marriage when sought, who are not heard when they talk, whose wants and >> > complaints are extinguished in their minds--they are the dwellers of >> > Paradise. If their light is distributed among the people on the >> > Resurrection Day, it would be sufficient for them." [Key factor why >> > Muslims all over the world are damn poor]. >> > >> > (p.4.294; p.4.321; p.4.353) >> > Muhammad said that, "during the resurrection day God will provide >> > wings to group of his followers; they will fly to >> > Paradise with the >> > help of those wings. This was due to their devotion to >> > God when they >> > spent their time in solitude." Muhammad also said, "He >> > who keeps >> > sitting in a mosque will meet God. If anyone seeks >> > Paradise, he >> > should not sleep at night; he who fears God takes rest >> > at dawn. If >> > you suffer from epilepsy you will go to paradise. There >> > are two >> > Paradises of silver utensils and two Paradises of Gold >> > utensils. A >> > Houri will fill the heaven and earth with light and >> > scent and a >> > martyr (Jihadist) would like to come back and be killed >> > again and >> > again." >> > >> > >> > Shape of the heaven and it's surroundings >> > >> > p.4.427 >> > Paradise has 8 doors. He who prayed will be called from the door of >> > prayer. He who paid zakat will be called from the door >> > of zakat. He >> > who fought will be called from the door of jihad. >> > >> > Sahih Bukhari; No. 1214: >> > Narrated by Syed Ibn Abu Moryam (ra): "Prophet Muhammad (SW) said, >> > the heaven will have eight doors and one of the door is >> > named as "Riayaaan" >> > through which only those who are fasting during >> > Ramadhan will enter >> > the heaven." >> > >> > (Ihya Uloom Ed-Din: 3.50.896; 4.52.48; 4.54.465; 4.54.466; 4.54.474) >> > >> > Knowing 99 names of Allah will lead one to Paradise... Paradise has >> > one hundred grades; Al-firdous is the highest grade... >> > Muhammad saw >> > Umar's palace in Paradise-A tent in Paradise is like a >> > tent of >> > hollow pearl thirty miles wide and sixty miles in >> > height. >> > >> > (Ihya Uloom Ed-Din: 6.60.7; 6.60.402; 6.60.403; 7.70.555; 9.93.536; >> > 4.52.53) >> > >> > The first food in Paradise will be caudite (tail) lobe of fish >> > lever. In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single >> > hollow pearl >> > sixty miles wide, each corner has wives for enjoyment. >> > There is a >> > huge tree in Paradise that takes a rider 100 years to >> > travel its >> > shade. >> > >> > p.1.190 >> > The Blackstone (of Ka'ba) is a jewel from Paradise. It will be >> > raised on the resurrection day. It will have two eyes >> > and one tongue >> > with which it will speak. It will bear for everyone who >> > kissed it >> > and testified its truth. Allah made Ka'ba 2 000 years >> > before He >> > created Adam. >> > >> > p.1.207 >> > Kissing of Black Stone is like kissing the hand of God. Muhammad >> > said: "The Black Stone is the right Hand of God in the >> > World. As a man handshakes with his brother so God handshakes with the >> > people buy means of Black Stone." >> > >> > p.1.210; p.2.90 >> > Every verse of the Qur'an is a door of Paradise and a light of your >> > house. The mutual lovers of Allah will live on the long >> > pillars of >> > red emeralds. There will be 70, 000 rooms in that >> > pillar. From those >> > rooms they will peep at the inmates of Paradise. >> > >> > >> > Classes/grades of Islamic heavens >> > >> > Just as there are many classes of hotels such as: two stars, three >> > stars, four stars and five stars with various luxurious >> > style and >> > amenities to enjoy by the occupants; Islamic heavens >> > are also of >> > different classes and grades ready (by Allah SWT) for >> > different >> > classes of Mumin musalman who are bound to occupy them >> > according to >> > their respective pious achievements on earth, >> > especially the number of kaffirs they have killed by suicide bombings and >> > Islamic beheadings. Below are some classes of heavens: >> > >> > p.4.431 >> > Prophet Muhammad (SW) said, "The lowest rank of an inmate of Paradise >> > will have eighty thousand servants and seventy-two wives." >> > >> > Sahih Muslim: 1.0363; 20.4690, 4691 >> > >> > The lowest ranking people of paradise receive 10 times of what they >> > desire; the highest ranking people of paradise will be >> > hand-picked >> > by Allah; Allah will reward them with bounties which no >> > eye has ever >> > seen, no ear has heard and no human mind has perceived. >> > Two-third of >> > booty for the jihadists will be paid in paradise, they >> > will get >> > one-third in this world. If they do not get any booty >> > in this world >> > then they will get full reward hereafter. >> > >> > (Ihya Uloom Ed-Din: 40.6792, 6788, 32.6222, 6223, 6224; 30.5702) >> > >> > The water in Paradise will be whiter than milk and sweeter than >> > honey and the two streamlets will be made of gold and >> > silver. The >> > gates of paradise are opened on Monday's and Thursdays >> > and records >> > are checked on every Thursdays and Fridays. The inmates >> > of paradise >> > will look to the upper apartments of paradise just like >> > we see >> > planets in the sky. There is a street in paradise to >> > which there >> > will be an assembly and the North wind will scatter >> > fragrance and >> > there will have added luster, beauty and loveliness. >> > [Only Islamic >> > Allah and his prophet know how in the world there >> > should be day and >> > night, or Thursday and Fridays! Will there be a Sun and >> > Moon >> > rotating around the heaven too?] >> > >> > (Ihya Uloom Ed-Din: 40.6797, 6798; 40.6800; 40.6802; 40.6808; >> > 41.6998) >> > >> > The inhabitants of paradise will eat and drink but they will not >> > spit, urinate, defecate nor suffer catarrh; their sweat >> > will be >> > musk-The inhabitants of paradise will digest food inthe >> > form of belching-In paradise none will be a destitute nor any clothes >> > will wear out; every one will be youthful-Some people in paradise will >> > have hearts like those of birds-The earth of paradise is like white >> > shining musk. >> > >> > >> > Conclusion >> > >> > It is quite evident from the Quran and Sahih hadiths that Islamic >> > heaven is full of lusts and earthly greed which had >> > been formulated >> > by Prophet Muhammad himself only to lure Arab Bedouin >> > to join his >> > venture of plundering, killing, rapping innocent Arab >> > pagans and >> > others who refused to believe his weird religion of >> > Allah. Prophet >> > Muhammad was extremely intelligent, cruelest, and very >> > cunning human >> > being indeed! He realized very well that to materialize >> > his >> > narcissistic dream, he needed to incite/energized >> > Bedouin illiterate >> > and desperately vagabond poor Arabs to unite and fight >> > his enemy the >> > Pagans and Jews. >> > >> > He understood very well, as to, what could be the crucial >> > objects/materials that will be most attractive to those >> > Pagan Arabs. >> > He knew that Arabs are inherently sex maniac and wine >> > lovers which >> > are historically true. In the Arab desert >> > environment-water was >> > another most precious commodity which no Arabs could >> > refuse or >> > neglect to get. Prophet Muhammad's clever creation and >> > wishful >> > description of heavenly pleasures (which he also copied >> > from other >> > religions like Zoroastrian and Hinduism) did not miss >> > any of the >> > above most important and most attractive items to lure >> > Bedouin >> > Arabs. In fact, those poor, illiterate, Vagabond Arab >> > Bedouin were >> > simply mesmerized by the incredible lustful description >> > of heavenly >> > houries, wine, foods, and luxurious life style in the >> > heaven. >> > >> > Most important driving force behind their craze was war booties: sex >> > with those beautiful young ladies of defeated pagans, >> > wine, and >> > other earthly goods which most Bedouin Arabs could not >> > even dream in >> > their entire life. As a result they were totally >> > fearless fighters >> > and wanted to die in a hurry in order to achieve those >> > incredible >> > heavens in the after life. This was the key factor >> > which brought >> > Prophet Muhammad's victory after victory over the Arab >> > Pagans. >> > >> > Without a question Prophet Muhammad used his most cunning mindsets >> > to create most dangerous and horrendously cruel >> > punishments in his >> > weird Islamic hells (a separate essay will be written >> > on Islamic >> > hell later) which equally kept all Pagan Arabs totally >> > in panic and >> > subdued. The fear of hell fire, and unlimited greed for >> > lustful >> > heavenly pleasures were the most important driving >> > force which has >> > kept most pagan Arabs totally tamed to the Prophet >> > Muhammad's >> > wishful mission of establishing Islam. Even today, the >> > same fear of >> > hellfire and greed of lustful heavens are the most >> > important and >> > primary elements (Opium) which is keeping almost 1 >> > Billion human beings not only subdued or numb, but devoid of any norm, or >> > human sense. >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Sources >> > >> > 1. Holy Quran translated by Abdullah A. Yousuf >> > >> > 2. Book of Imam Ghazali (Ihya Uloom Ed-Din). >> > >> > 3. Sahih Bukhari Sharif >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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