Dungu, patokan Islam itu adalah Quran dan sunnah, bukan mayoritas muslim indonesia.
>________________________________ > From: pinpinyuliansyah <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:34 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for Women > > > >Mari bicara tentang iran . . . >Tanya sama mayoritas muslim indonesia : "apakah syiah itu sejalan dengan >ajaran islam? " orang2 sunni akan mengatakan adanya ncr atawa ketidaksesuaian >antara ajaran islam dengan syiah. Yang ngomong pasti ULAMA sunni. Bukan ustad >supergoblok yang bernama item > >masalah sertifikat iso lagi2 elo berhasil menunjukkan kegoblokan elo. >Sertifikat sama sertifikasi itu beda gobloooookkkkkk! > >Elo ikut kelas, elo dapat sertifikat. Tapi meskipun elo punya 1000 sertifikat >yang menerangkan elo pernah belajar iso, elo belum tentu dapet sertifikasi >dari badan akreditasi. > >Iso dan kompetitif? >Elo selalu berhasil menunjukkan kegoblokan elo. Iso 9001 itu sistem >dokumentasi bos . . .masalah kemampuan perusahaan untuk berkompetisi itu >urusan lain. > >Saya islam. >Saya suka protes karena islam mengajarka saya untuk kritis. > >Islam protestan jadinya. > >Elo kresten protestan ya? >Bikin aja lagi kresten protestan protestan > >masalah nama aja kok diributin. > >Kasihan. > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Hehehe.... jadi lu bukan ulama Islam, tp lu bisa kaing2 bhw Saudi atau Iran >> itu ga ngeimplementasikan ajaran Islam. Betul2 dungu lu ini. >> >> >> Buat dpt sertifikat kibulan ISO sih ga ada susahnya, lu bayar aja unt ikut >> kelasnya, lalu lu dpt sertifikatnya. Ga ada yg perlu dibanggakan. >> >> Faktanya, implementasi ISO dll itu cuma akal2an unt nipuin duit dr >> perusahaan, hasilnya apa? Lihat aja perusahaan Indonesia, mana ada >> perusahaan yg betul2 kompetitif, bersih dan jujur? Itu hasil kerja lu? Omong >> kosong doang semuanya. >> >> >> Lu ga tau apa2 ttg ajaran islam, kalo lu mau ngarang bikin agama sendiri, >> jangan nyatut nama Islam dan jangan jg nyatut nama Protestan. >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:21 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for >> >Women >> > >> > >> > >> >Lu tanya gue siapa? >> >Aku punya sertifikat kompetensi ISO 9001, pengalaman lebih dari 14 tahun >> >dalam bidang implementasi sistem manajemen dan -jelas- memiliki kompetensi >> >dalam hal penerapan dan audit serta pengembangan sistem secara terus >> >menerus dan berkesinambungan. >> > >> >Dalam hal implementasi klausul "kebersihan sebagian dari iman" maka >> >singapore, australia, jauh lebih islami dibanding iran atawa afganistan. >> > >> >Dalam hal implementasi "manusia yang paling baik adalah manusia yang paling >> >bermanfaat bagi manusia lain." maka albert einstein, bill gate, thomas alfa >> >edison, sidharta gautama, adalah jauh lebih islami dibanding manusia2 najis >> >berbaju gamis berjenggot panjang dan rajin shalat namun pada saat bersamaan >> >jago korupsi, senang makan harta anak yatim >> > >> >elo siapa tem? >> > >> >Nddak lebih dari penjaga game online yang dapet orderan untuk memprovokasi >> >dengan modal cut paste dengan bayaran sekian perak per klik. >> > >> >Manusia yang tiada guna. >> > >> >Sama seperti guru kamu yang di holland. Tak lebih dari sekedar sampah. >> > >> >Kasihan. >> > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Emangnya, lu ini siapa shg bisa bilang ajaran Islam ga diimplementasikan >> >> di Iran, Afghan atau Arab Saudi? >> >> >> >> Lu ini kan cuma lulusan pesantren yg percaya kibulan kafir kayak Maurice >> >> Bucaille, lu bukan ulama Arab atau Iran yg udah belajar Islam selama >> >> puluhan thn. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:51 PM >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for >> >> >Women >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Tem, kan elo yang bilang kalau arap saudi itu bukan negara islam. Kan >> >> >elo yang bilang itumah kerajaan keluarga saud . . . ! >> >> > >> >> >Afganistan dan iran negara islam? please deh . . . Saat rasul ditanya >> >> >ya rasul, apakah madinah itu ? Rasul menjawab madinah adalah tempat >> >> >dimana ajran islam itu tegak (terimplementasi) >> >> > >> >> >Tempat dalam konteks negara yang telah relative berhasil mengaplikasikan >> >> >ajaran islam tentang kebersihan adalah sebagian dari iman diantaranya >> >> >singapore . . . Ostrali. . . Brunei . . >> >> > >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Gua yakin si arra_s pasti pengen setengah mati unt hidup di negara >> >> >> Islam spt Iran atau Arab Saudi. Atau mungkin Afghanistan adalah tempat >> >> >> yg paling ideal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for Women >> >> >> Wednesday, 08 August 2012 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The 935,000 applicants to Iranian >> >> >> universities for the next academic year face unprecedented gender >> >> >> discrimination in some study subjects. >> >> >> Mohabat News -- Rooz Online reports, New previously un-announced >> >> >> restrictions are barring >> >> >> women from pursuing certain university studies. Most of these academic >> >> >> programs are generally in the engineering fields which until last year >> >> >> were equally open to men and women. With the new regulations, some 77 >> >> >> specific academic fields at the graduate level will be denied to women >> >> >> in the country's 36 government universities. >> >> >> >> >> >> From 28 to 30 June this year some 1 >> >> >> million and 660 thousand applicants took the national university >> >> >> entrance examinations in Iran. From amongst them over 935,000 of the >> >> >> accepted applicants must announce their specific field of study to the >> >> >> national educational evaluation organization by August 13 and then >> >> >> wait >> >> >> for confirmation from the agency. Until a few days ago the wide >> >> >> participation of women in four groups: empirical sciences, the human >> >> >> sciences, the arts and foreign languages dominated the news. Today, >> >> >> the >> >> >> wide and unannounced gender discrimination is the news topic of the >> >> >> day. Responses to the new restrictions have been so extensive that >> >> >> even the >> >> >> Ministry of Education's academic evaluation organization has taken a >> >> >> position against it and it appears that a review and reversal of the >> >> >> decision may be in the making. >> >> >> >> >> >> The testing deputy of the organization >> >> >> rejected the gender discrimination at universities and said, "Because >> >> >> of some considerations, it is possible that through their annual tests >> >> >> certain universities may admit only men or women to certain academic >> >> >> fields, but this does not mean that student admission to these fields >> >> >> is restricted to a specific gender because other universities follow >> >> >> their own admission policies and applicants can apply to the same >> >> >> fields in >> >> >> other universities." >> >> >> >> >> >> Seyed Jalal Tabatabai implicitly accepts the new decision of the >> >> >> universities. "The need to admit students to >> >> >> different fields is determined by universities and in principle this >> >> >> decision is made on the basis of the needs and necessities of society. >> >> >> Therefore, some fields in some years are only available to men or >> >> >> women," he said. >> >> >> >> >> >> The director general for the spread of >> >> >> education at the ministry of science, research and technology however >> >> >> is more direct. "Universities draw up plans for the future of higher >> >> >> education in the provinces and other parts of the country on the basis >> >> >> of the results they obtain from the entrance exams and the state of >> >> >> higher education in the past. They also consider their capacity and >> >> >> the >> >> >> needs of society." Seyed Abolfazl Hassani added, "Some fields are not >> >> >> very suitable for women's nature such as agricultural machinery or >> >> >> mining, partly because of the hard work involved in them. Past >> >> >> experience shows that women do not become professionally active in >> >> >> these fields after they are admitted to these subjects and even after >> >> >> they >> >> >> graduate. This results in unemployment of graduates." >> >> >> >> >> >> A few days after these remarks, however, the official was forced to >> >> >> change his position and said, "Letters have >> >> >> been sent to the heads of these universities to enquire about the >> >> >> reasons for their decision. This is because if a university decides to >> >> >> admit only men or women to specific academic programs, it must first >> >> >> establish the necessary infrastructure for such a gender separation." >> >> >> >> >> >> Hossein Tavakoli, the senior advisor to >> >> >> the entrance examination organization also announced that a new policy >> >> >> directive had been issued which states that a new coding system for >> >> >> academic subjects had been instituted in the organization which >> >> >> resolved the issue of gender restrictions. >> >> >> >> >> >> Subjects OK Until Last Year, but Not Now >> >> >> >> >> >> Amid the corrections and announcements >> >> >> by officials, Mehr news agency looked into the manual on subject >> >> >> selection and concluded that the 36 universities do not carry master's >> >> >> graduate programs for women in 77 specific fields. Last year, these >> >> >> very universities had admitted women to the same subjects that are >> >> >> banned >> >> >> today. >> >> >> >> >> >> For example, a university in Ardebil had 24 fields; one in Lorestan >> >> >> had 18 fields and the International School >> >> >> of Imam Khomeini had 15 fields had the most admittances only to men in >> >> >> these 77 fields. >> >> >> >> >> >> Urban development engineering, urban >> >> >> development with a major in surveillance at 15 universities had the >> >> >> largest number of students reserved only for men. Following that came >> >> >> management and mining engineering programs in 12 universities which >> >> >> only admitted men to them. >> >> >> >> >> >> But academic subjects that are denied to women are not restricted to >> >> >> these and others such as accounting, >> >> >> education fields, restoration of historic buildings, pure chemistry >> >> >> etc >> >> >> are also shut to women. >> >> >> >> >> >> In this regard, the Oil Industry University also announced that "at >> >> >> the moment it did not have any need for women resources." >> >> >> >> >> >> The head of the public relations office >> >> >> of this school announced that "the management of the oil industry did >> >> >> not believe that the harsh conditions of operations in this field did >> >> >> not make it suitable for women." He continued, "According to recent >> >> >> surveys conducted by the public relations office of the Oil Industry >> >> >> University, not all women students were satisfied with the fields and >> >> >> conditions to which they had been admitted." According to him, between >> >> >> the years 1939 and 2000 no women were admitted to this school. Since >> >> >> 2000, women have been admitted to all programs except drilling. >> >> >> >> >> >> According to Khabar Online, Alame >> >> >> Tabatabai University's course book booklet for this year has reserved >> >> >> the following fields only for men: social work, accounting, industrial >> >> >> management, and hotel management while reserving these fields for >> >> >> women: education, political science, library science and information >> >> >> dissemination. Chamran University of Ahvaz too has taken measures to >> >> >> only admit men to its engineering programs. This denies women the >> >> >> possibility of pursuing education in the fields of math and technical >> >> >> sciences in that province. Since these two schools are the main >> >> >> institutions of higher education in the province, the denial means >> >> >> that >> >> >> women for the first time cannot study petroleum related subjects >> >> >> there. >> >> >> This limitation does not exist for women in other universities such as >> >> >> those in Tehran, Shiraz or Tabriz. This forces women who are >> >> >> interested >> >> >> in these fields to move to other regions of the country which makes >> >> >> them less competitive because of the strengths of the residents of >> >> >> those >> >> >> provinces. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gender separation has been a serious >> >> >> policy pursued by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's administration which has >> >> >> repeatedly been defended by Kamran Daneshjoo, the minister of science. >> >> >> The basis for this policy is the policy to separate men and women on >> >> >> campuses. But the president's office has issued a special directive to >> >> >> the minister of science and universities questioning the single-gender >> >> >> classrooms that some universities had instituted and demanding that >> >> >> the >> >> >> practice be stopped. But segregation continues at the institutions and >> >> >> is even expanding as the new policies indicate. >> >> >> >> >> >> By Behrouz Samadbeighi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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