Sedeng... Einstein bilang "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses," "
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@...> wrote: > > terima kasih sama - sama Bro ... > seumur - umur "belajar" dalam definitif kebanyakan orang indo itu pan sebatas > "cut" and " paste" ... :-) Dan moga - moga kitamah tidak termasuk yang kayak > gitu. Cuma cut .. cuma paste ... tapi tetep nddak ngerti apa apa. yang di cut > artinya apa nddak tahu, yang di paste artinya apa juga pan nddak tahu :-) > > BTW ... > > Alquran menyatakan yang artinya kurang lebih berbunyi " Dan janganlah kamu > memikirkan tentang AKU, sesungguhnya kamu tidak diberi pengetahuan, kecuali > sedikit. > > Jadi tetep sayamah gemes sama tingkah laku ustad di layar TV yang ajrut > ajrutan di depan layar kaca seraya berteriak .."Alhamduuuu...... Lillahhhh > .... " > > Apanya yang alhamdu coba ? > > Sedeng ! > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ayub <ayubyahya@> wrote: > > > > Thx a lot bro... nyaman bacanya > > > > gw demen di bagian ini :... > > > > "Aku tidak menganggap bahwa disebut agnostic adalah hinaan, tetapi itu > > lebih merupakan pujian. Aku tidak > > > >  berpura-pura tahu ketika banyak orang > > yang tidak tahu justru yakin." (Clarence Darrow. 1857 â" 1938) > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > >  > > > > > >  > > Aghnostic orang yang tidak percaya apa yang dikatakan oleh agama, tapi dia > > percaya adanya Tuhan . > > > > hal ini jadinya masuk akal, . Kita manusia hanya bisa menebak nebak saja. > > Tidak ada yang menjamin kebenaran agama 100%, kecuali tentu saja, oleh > > penganut agama itu sendiri :-) > > > > Kalau Tuhan dianggap tidak ada, kok ada saya ?. Kalau dianggap ada, terus > > bagaimana membuktikannya ? > > > > "Aku tidak menganggap bahwa disebut agnostic adalah hinaan, tetapi itu > > lebih merupakan pujian. Aku tidak berpura-pura tahu ketika banyak orang > > yang tidak tahu justru yakin." (Clarence Darrow (1857 â" 1938)) > > > > "Aku percaya bahwa kebahagiaan adalah satu-satunya hal baik, dan cara untuk > > bisa bahagia adalah membuat orang lain bahagia " (Robert Green Ingersoll > > (1833-1899).) > > > > Para agnostic mengatakan, bahwa agnostic adalah pilihan paling logis > > daripada Teis ataupun Ateis. Karena mereka menganggap ajaran Teis ( agama ) > > adalah sesuatu yang tidak logis. Ajaran tersebut cenderung dipergunakan > > untuk kepentingan kelompok kelompok. Susahnya lagi, Teis kalau dikritik, > > malah ngamuk. Kadang diantara orang beragama menggunakan agamanya untuk men > > justifikasi ( memberikan cap ) orang orang yang tak sepaham atau orang yang > > tak disukai. Tentu saja justifikasi yang mereka berikan pasti nama jelek, > > atau menjelekan. Bukankah itu sama dengan fitnah ?, meng-atas namakan > > agama. Misalnya, bid'ah, kafir, murtad⦠dsb. Jadi untuk apa ribet ribet > > menggunakan aturan aturan agama kalau pada akhirnya kita meng kafirkan dan > > memusuhi orang lainâ¦? Kenyataanya memang itulah yang terjadi, banyak > > orang beragama membuat orang lain menjadi bisa dijauhi orang lainnya, > > berimbas pada pergaulan sosialnya, kondisi kehidupan orang tersebut menjadi > > terhambat. Hanya > > karena kata kata ( fatwa ) sang tokoh agama. Kalau sudah begituâ¦, > > siapakah yang layak masuk nerakaâ¦? > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ayub yahya <ayubyahya@> wrote: > > > > > > pig... Einstein tuh agnostik, percaya adanya tuhan tapi "tuhan yang tidak > > > sebatas seperti > > > > > > yang tertulis di alkitab ato al-quran" > > > > > > > > > oleh einstein, tuhan disebutkan sebagai 'kekuatan misterius' > > > > > > baca nih ... > > > > > > We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but > > > only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious > > > force that moves the constellations." > > > > > > > > > themysterious force bebas aja di tafsirkan.... boleh faktor X, boleh god, > > > boleh allah, boleh tuhan, > > > boleh dewa... > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > Yang kudu dipegagn itu fikirannya yang sudah mateng, yang ditulisnya > > > dengan tangannnya sendiri dan bukan omongannnya ketika dia masih > > > mencari-cari jawaban atau kutipan yang tidak bersumber dari tulisan > > > tangannnya sendiri.... > > > > > > Terlepas dari itu: buat dia semua agama itu cuman takhayul doang.. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein and Religion > > > > > > > > (The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton > > > > University Press unless otherwise noted) > > > > > > > > "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable > > > > superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able > > > > to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional > > > > conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is > > > > revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." > > > > > > > > (The following is from Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer, Princeton > > > > University Press) > > > > "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. > > > > We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled > > > > with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written > > > > those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages > > > > in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order > > > > in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it > > > > seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being > > > > toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying > > > > certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds > > > > grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations." > > > > > > > > > > > > (The following is from The Quotable Einstein) > > > > "Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt > > > > end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I > > > > soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could > > > > not be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of > > > > this experience...an attitude which has never left me." > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the > > > > structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to > > > > appreciate it." > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." > > > > > > > > "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his > > > > creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, > > > > who is but a reflection of human frailty. It is enough for me to > > > > contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through > > > > all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe > > > > which we can dimly perceive and to try humbly to comprehend even an > > > > infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in Nature." > > > > > > > > "The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation. His > > > > religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the > > > > harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such > > > > superiority that , compared with it, all the systematic thinking and > > > > acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." > > > > > > > > ". . . In spite of all this, I don't let a single opportunity pass > > > > unheeded, nor have I lost my sense of humor. When God created the ass > > > > he gave him a thick skin." Einstein: The Life and Times by Ronald W. > > > > Clark, Avon Books. > > > > > > > > "Where dull-witted clansmen of our tribe were praying aloud, their > > > > faces turned to the wall, their bodies swaying to and fro. A pathetic > > > > sight of men with a past but without a future." (Regarding his visit to > > > > the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, February 3, 1923) > > > > > > > > "Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest > > > > pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during > > > > our 2,000 years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us." > > > > > > > > "I appeal to all men and women, whether they be eminent or humble, to > > > > declare that they will refuse to give any further assistance to war or > > > > the preparation of war." > > > > > > > > "It is my belief that the problem of bringing peace to the world on a > > > > supranational basis will be solved only by employing Gandhi's method on > > > > a larger scale." > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's wife, regarding > > > > Einstein's development of the theory of general relativity. It's taken > > > > from the outstanding book Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer. It's > > > > originally taken from Charles Chaplin's autobiography and widely quoted > > > > in journals, bios and even as the conference calls for papers about > > > > Einstein's most famous theory. > > > > > > > > The Doctor came down in his dressing gown as usual for breakfast but he > > > > hardly touched a thing. I thought something was wrong, so I asked what > > > > was troubling him. "Darling," he said, "I have a wonderful idea." And > > > > after drinking his coffee, he went to the piano and started playing. > > > > Now and again he would stop, making a few notes then repeat: "I've got > > > > a wonderful idea, a marvelous idea!" I said: "Then for goodness' sake > > > > tell me what it is, don't keep me in suspense." He said: "It's > > > > difficult, I still have to work it out." > > > > > > > > She told me he continued playing the piano and making notes for about > > > > half an hour, then went upstairs to his study, telling her that he did > > > > not wish to be disturbed, and remained there for two weeks. "Each day I > > > > sent him up his meals," she said, "and in the evening he would walk a > > > > little for exercise, then return to his work again. Eventually," she > > > > said, "he came down from his study looking very pale. "That's it," he > > > > told me, wearily putting two sheets of paper on the table. And that was > > > > his theory of relativity." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > > > > > Begitu jelas dia bilang "The word God is for me nothing more than the > > > > > expression and product of human weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pinpinyuliansyah" > > > > > <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein Itu Deism Plik ... Bukan Atheism ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Coba tengok ... > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the > > > > > > structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses > > > > > > to appreciate it." > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is > > > > > > blind." > > > > > > > > > > > > Baca di sini .. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's wife, > > > > > > regarding Einstein's development of the theory of general > > > > > > relativity. It's taken from the outstanding book Einstein and > > > > > > Religion by Max Jammer. It's originally taken from Charles > > > > > > Chaplin's autobiography and widely quoted in journals, bios and > > > > > > even as the conference calls for papers about Einstein's most > > > > > > famous theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi Einstein itu bilang semua agama itu cuman takhayul doang... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan yang ngomong itu bukan orang sedeng munafik, tukang fitnah > > > > > > > dan tukang nyabo kayak suryana, tapi orang pinter... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agar jelas: omongan Einstein itu layak direnungkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya saya kutip pendapat Hawking: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When Sawyer asked if there was a way to reconcile religion and > > > > > > > science, Hawking said, "There is a fundamental difference between > > > > > > > religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, which is > > > > > > > based on observation and reason. Science will win because it > > > > > > > works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Technology/stephen-hawking-religion-science-win/story?id=10830164#.UHkEffcTmSo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "suryana" <gsuryana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe bloon surat Einstein pada dasarnya masih ambigu, sayang > > > > > > > > pengertian > > > > > > > > ambigu tidak bisa dimengerti. > > > > > > > > Einstein ingin atheis, siapa yg melarang ?, apa karena jenius > > > > > > > > maka harus > > > > > > > > jadi atheis, lha disini ada binatang yg otaknya di peler, boro > > > > > > > > boro jenius, > > > > > > > > jauh panggang dari api. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yg menjadi pointku mengirim bukan karena isi suratnya, > > > > > > > > melainkan koq ada > > > > > > > > orang mau beli surat tsb dengan harga yg bisa dibelikan sikat > > > > > > > > gigi elektrik > > > > > > > > dan jam tangan ber gps masing masing puluhan kontainer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "muskitawati" <muskitawati@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi semua orang2 tua yang ingin anaknya seperti Einstein > > > > > > > > > agar menjauhkan > > > > > > > > > racun2 yang merusak otak anaknya tentang klenik2 penyembahan > > > > > > > > > Allah, Tuhan, > > > > > > > > > dewa dewi, dan mistik2 lainnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hal ini terutama sangat penting bagi umat Islam dan mereka > > > > > > > > > yang hidup > > > > > > > > > dalam lingkungan yang Islam. Karena kerusakan otak ini bukan > > > > > > > > > hanya > > > > > > > > > menyangkut dirinya melainkan juga bangsa dan negara ini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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