Sekedar informasi - dan untuk memperluas diskusi: ajaran Islam menghalalkan perkosaan..
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-rape.htm --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau wrote: > > BTW, di negara2 Islami di mana Muslimah berburqa juga sering diperkosa. > Dengan kata lain claim bhw perempuan yg awrah-nya tidak ditutupi lengkap dari > ujung kepala sampai ke kaki mengundang untuk diperkosa. Ini bukti nyata bhw > Muslims fanatikun itu munafiq! Mereka oversexed karena contoh-teladan yg > mereka anggap harus diikuti. > > Di negara2 non-Islam juga terjadi pemerkosaan oleh orang2 yg gila sex dan > tidak punya PeDe atas daya tarik thdp perempuan. > > Gabriella > > > > > ________________________________ > From: itemabu2 > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013 5:10 AM > Subject: [proletar] Preacher alarms many in Egypt with calls for Islamist > vice police > > >  > > "I was once asked: If I came to power, would I let Christian women remain > unveiled? And I said: If they want to get raped on the streets, then they > can," Ashry told Nahar TV last week. > > Heheeh.... ulama Mesir ini bilang bhw cewek boleh aja ga pake pakean karung > kalo mereka emang mau diperkosa di jalanan. Dgn kata lain, ceweknya sendiri > yg salah kalo diperkosa, bukan pemerkosanya. > > Ini nunjukin 2 hal. Pertama, si ulama yg tentunya ahli Islam dan sangat > Islami ini mewakili pandangan Islam ttg cewek. Kedua, pengakuan bhw orang2 > Islam itu emang tukang merkosa krn ngeliat cewek ga pake pakean karung aja > udah langsung diperkosa. > > http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/uk-egypt-islamists-idUKBRE9080MA20130109 > > Preacher alarms many in Egypt with calls for Islamist vice police > > By Yasmine Saleh and Shaimaa Fayed > > CAIRO | Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:36pm GMT > > (Reuters) - Many Egyptian viewers were horrified when preacher Hisham > el-Ashry recently popped up on primetime television to say women must cover > up for their own protection and advocated the introduction of religious > police. > > That an obscure preacher could get publicity for such views was seen as > another example of the confused political scene in Egypt since the revolt > that toppled Hosni Mubarak gave birth to a cacophony of feuding voices. > > "I was once asked: If I came to power, would I let Christian women remain > unveiled? And I said: If they want to get raped on the streets, then they > can," Ashry told Nahar TV last week. > > Introducing a Saudi-style anti-vice police force to enforce Islamic law was > "not a bad thing", he said, and added: "In order for Egypt to become fully > Islamic, alcohol must be banned and all women must be covered." > > Few take Ashry, who admits he flew to the United States dreaming of a > Western lifestyle and romance but instead found truth in preaching, > seriously. But his views have stirred emotions. > > With the economic downturn and rising food prices putting pressure on the > government, moderate Muslims, Christians and others worry their new-found > political freedom is at risk of being exploited by hardline Islamists bent > on imposing their values on a society that has been traditionally moderate. > > Watching a recent television interview in which Ashry expounded his ideas > on women and sharia law, members of one family jumped to their feet in > outrage. > > "Look at this crazy man! Where do you think we live! In a jungle? Or are > all men like you, animals, unable to control their instincts?" Mona Ahmed, > 65, shouted at the television screen in her living room. > > "If I see him annoying any unveiled woman on the street I would punch him > in the face. Wake up, man, this is Egypt, not Saudi > Arabiahttp://uk.reuters.com/places/saudi-arabia?lc=int_mb_1001>," > she yelled as her children tried to console her. > > Ahmed, like many women in Egypt, has chosen on her own to cover her hair > with the Islamic headscarf. > > Egypt's top Islamic institutions, such as al-Azhar, the highest authority > in Sunni Islam, and Dar al Ifta, the central authority for issuing > religious rulings, have long said religious practices should not be imposed > on people. > > "IDIOTIC THINKING" > > Egypt's Grand Mufti, the country's most senior Islamic legal official, has > dismissed the self-styled preacher's views. > > "This sort of idiotic thinking is one that seeks to further destabilise > what is already a tense situation," Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa said in a > statement to Reuters. > > "Egypt's religious scholars have long guided the people to act in ways that > conform to their religious commitments, but have never thought this > required any type of invasive policing." > > The Muslim Brotherhood of President Mohamed Mursi, who was brought to power > in an election last year, has also distanced itself, if somewhat > cryptically. > > "The case of promotion of virtue and prevention of vice is within the > jurisdiction of the authorities and not individuals or groups," said > Brotherhood spokesman Mahmoud Ghozlan. "It is not anyone's right to > intervene." > > Mursi has pledged not to impose Islamic codes of behaviour and to protect > adherents of all religions equally. But he has also enacted a new > constitution that has more Islamic references than its predecessor and that > critics say fails to protect freedoms and the rights of Christians and > other minorities. > > Activists say although Mursi's camp is not keen on religious austerity, > stronger condemnation is required at this sensitive time. > > "As long as such actions are not seriously condemned by the officials in > public speeches, it leaves room for radicals to freely act and impose > things on people," said human rights activist Gamal Eid. > > The image of Egypt's bearded leadership flanked by their fully veiled wives > sends a powerful psychological message that may belie their official words, > they say. > > "Islamist officials need to take a clearer stand on their views about > rights and freedoms and act strictly if those rights and freedoms were > threatened." > > CONVERTING CHRISTIANS > > Ashry left Egypt for New York in the 1990s, when the country was still > firmly under Mubarak's rule, in search of a better life. > > "I went there with a dream to get a blonde girl and a big car," he said in > one of his televised interviews. "(But) I was advised on the plane to > cherish my religion and not get taken by the USA or risk being spoiled and > losing my faith." > > His religious convictions grew stronger over the next 15 years in the > United States, he said. > > "I had, thanks to God, guided many Christians to Islam. I can't tell how > many as I stopped counting when their number exceeded 100," he said. > > It was when he was working at a men's clothing factory in New York that he > became convinced that Egypt needed a Saudi-style anti-vice force. > > "(My goal was) to make all Egyptians love it," he said. > > A few find him inspiring. > > "He advocates what I believe is right," said Ahmed Mahmoud, 18, in Cairo. > "It is about time to enforce God's law in order to be rescued from all the > corruption we live in." > > Ashry is just one conservative influence among many. In the six months > since Mursi came to power, preachers and vigilante groups have been flexing > their muscles on the streets. > > In July, a young man holding hands with his fiancé was stabbed to death in > Suez, and in October, a face-veiled teacher cut the hair of two 12-year-old > girls who were not wearing scarves. Just last month, an Islamist group in > Egypt's Sinai Peninsula threatened to launch a campaign against cigarette > smoking and drug use in the lawless desert region. > > Radical Salafi figures called for Muslims not to greet Christians at > Christmas, celebrated by Egypt's Copts on January 7. Christians make up > about 10 percent of Egypt's 84 million population, which is majority > Sunni-Muslim. > > "Such comments scare us to death of course," said Christian activist Peter > el-Naggar. > > "But we don't think such people are right or will have any strong > grassroots support. Egypt has always been home to moderate and tolerant > Islam. By God's will it will remain so." > > Those who rely on the tourism industry in Cairo and at the luxury beaches > of the Red Sea are defiant and anxious at the same time. > > "Only we can control ourselves," said taxi driver Waleed Mahmoud, 36. "No > human being can force another to pray or beat them to pray. It doesn't > work." > > (Editing by Maria Golovnina and Sonya Hepinstall) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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