dan berbagai golongan islam juga yg menggolkan megawati jadi presiden.
puyeng sendiri kan lu?
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau wrote:
>
> Ingat berbagai golongan Islam mencoba menggagalkan Megawati sbg calon Prez.
> Alasan mereka 'bangsa yg dipimpin perempuan adalah bangsa yg tidak diberkati
> Auloh!'
>
> Gabriella
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: johny_indon
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013 9:04 PM
> Subject: Omongan gabriella kayak kentut Re: [proletar] Re: ogah tiru belanda?
> tirulah swedia
>
>
> Â
>
>
> ngaco ah.
> benazir dan megawati jadi pm dan presiden ngga otomatis, tapi lewat proses
> pemilu,
> walaupun untuk kasus mega dia jadi wapres dulu.
> beda sama ratu atau raja yg otomatis jadi ratu/raja karena keturunan atau
> perkawinan.
> ratu elizabeth jadi ratu ngga pake pemilu, begitu juga raja fahd.
>
> kalau benazir korup dan megawati bloon gua sih setuju.
> tapi contoh itu lebih dari cukup untuk mematahkan klaim si geboy bahwa cewek
> si negara muslim
> ngga bisa ngapa2in.
> dikasih kyrgizstan makin patah, tambah kosovo jadi remuk deh.
>
> nah sebagai warga negara amrik, apa analisa lu ttg ngga pernah ada cewek yg
> jadi presiden
> di amrik beh?
> padahal sarah palin itu kurang gimana bohai coba.
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Habe Proletar wrote:
> >
> > Benazir Bhutto dan megawati itu walaupun dipilih melalui pemilu, menjadi
> > kepala negara juga lantaran keturunan
> > tidak seperti margaret thatcher , ÃÂ angela merkel atau golda meir,
> > perempuan yang lahir dari orang awam
> > ngga heran thatcher, merkel dan meir itu perempuan brilyan
> > sedang bhutto dan megawati, yang satu korup yang satunya lagi goblok
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: johny_indon
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:35 AM
> > Subject: Omongan gabriella kayak kentut Re: [proletar] Re: ogah tiru
> > belanda? tirulah swedia
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> >
> > tapi kayaknya jadi ratu bukan karena dipilih lewat pemilu ya.
> > kriteria pemimpin cewek yg diharapkan geboy adalah pemimpin yg dipilih
> > rakyat,
> > bukan karens keturunan atau pernikahan.
> > jadi ratu ngga masuk itungan deh.
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Habe Proletar wrote:
> > >
> > > ratunya, contohnya queen isabella
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: johny_indon
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:48 PM
> > > Subject: Omongan gabriella kayak kentut Re: [proletar] Re: ogah tiru
> > > belanda? tirulah swedia
> > >
> > >
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > yg berkuasa rajanya apa ratunya?
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Habe Proletar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > spanyol, italy dan perancis itu pernah punya ratu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: johny_indon
> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:27 PM
> > > > Subject: Omongan gabriella kayak kentut Re: [proletar] Re: ogah tiru
> > > > belanda? tirulah swedia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > > hehe sekarang pindwh gawang, jadi mau gede2an gundu.
> > > > padahal awalnya lu yakin banget bahwa cewek di negara mayoritas muslim
> > > > ngga bisa ngapa2in.
> > > > kalau lu beneran pernah sekolah, mestinya lu akui dulu bahwa teori lu
> > > > itu ngawur, baru ngajak gede2an gundu.
> > > >
> > > > paling tidak di pakistan, indonesia, kyrgizstan, kosovo, yg adalah
> > > > negara2 dgn mayoritas muslim, cewek pernah jadi pemimpin negara.
> > > > sekarang coba lu sebutkan ada berapa cewek yg pernah jadi pemimpin
> > > > negara di usa, italy,
> > > > spanyol, perancis, dan vatican.
> > > >
> > > > gua udah jawab pertanyaan elu dgn jujur.
> > > > sekarang lu jawab pertanyaan gua dgn jujur juga, kalau bisa.
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just answer this simple question if you can. How many Islamic
> > > > > paradise, I mean nations, have actually appoined a women as their
> > > > > leader? Now compare how many non-Muslim nationas over the centuries
> > > > > have had women holding the highest office in the land?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, be honest if you could.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gabriella
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: johny_indon
> > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 9:41 PM
> > > > > Subject: Omongan gabriella kayak kentut Re: [proletar] Re: ogah tiru
> > > > > belanda? tirulah swedia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬Ã
¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > logika kamu ngga jalan samasekali.
> > > > > kalau rakyat muslim pakistan mengharamkan perempuan jadi pemimpin,
> > > > > sejak
> > > > > awal benazir ngga akan pernah terpilih jadi pemimpin.
> > > > > dan kalo benazir dibunuh hanya karena dia wanita, maka anwar sadat
> > > > > dibunuh karena dia pria?
> > > > > rasanya ini pernah dibahas deh, dan kamu emang tipikal ignorant
> > > > > ndableg kepala batu,
> > > > > argumen yg dibawa itu lagi itu lagi. udah jelas ngawur, terus2an
> > > > > didaur ulang.
> > > > >
> > > > > amerika puluhan kali melakukan pilpres tapi ngga pernah sekalipun ada
> > > > > cewek yg sukses
> > > > > jadi presiden. biarpun calon presiden pernah ada yg cewek (sarah
> > > > > palin) tapi rakyat
> > > > > amerika ngga percaya negaranya dipimpin cewek.
> > > > > kalo ngikut logika kamu, maka rakyat amerika yg notabene mayoritas
> > > > > kresten tidak
> > > > > mau dipimpin oleh cewek. jadi umat mana yg lebih menghargai cewek
> > > > > coba?
> > > > > kesimpulan: kalo soal gender equality, pakistan 100x masih diatas
> > > > > amerika.
> > > > > hadapi kenyataan ini dengan lapang dada, dan jangan terus2an
> > > > > menyebarkan kebohongan.
> > > > > kasian gereja yg membayar kamu buat bikin propaganda anti muslim di
> > > > > sini, mereka pasti akan sangat malu.
> > > > >
> > > > > belom pernah nonton bokep samasekali?
> > > > > well mungkin gereja kamu melarangnya ya. kasian juga kalo kamu cuman
> > > > > boleh
> > > > > nonton mickey mouse se umur2.
> > > > > soal lebih seru atau apa gua sih ngga tau, yg jelas banyak bener
> > > > > pemain bokep
> > > > > yg berkalung atau bertato salib. itu bukan sekedar simbol lho.
> > > > > tapi mereka memang sangat religius, kalo lagi keenakan suka manggil2
> > > > > tuhannya
> > > > > (oh god yes... jesus christ... yes right there...all the way
> > > > > baby...oh god i'm coming..., kurang
> > > > > lebih begitulah mereka mengucapkan rasa syukur atas nikmat yg
> > > > > diberikan tuhannya, geb)
> > > > >
> > > > > nanti kalo jadi ketemu habe jangan lupa minta foto racquel darrian.
> > > > > tapi ini cewek kayaknya sekarang udah peot, mungkin tato salibnya
> > > > > udah berubah jadi sumpit.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salut kpd Benazir Butho yg menjadi presiden Republik Islam
> > > > > > Pakistan. Sayangnya ada yg tidak setuju dipimpin perempuan (sesuai
> > > > > > dengan hadist) maka mereka memutuskan untuk menembak mati si
> > > > > > Benazir.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mengenai perempuan menjadi pemimpin negara - hal semacam ini tidak
> > > > > > asing lagi di negara demokratis, karena perempuan dianggap sama
> > > > > > derajatnya dengan laki2. Siapa saja yg mampu bisa dipilih menjadi
> > > > > > president, perdana menteri, atau pemimpin apapun.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aku belon pernah nonton sex film, tapi aku curiga mereka sengaja
> > > > > > memilih pelaku yg memakai atribut Kristen supaya (mnrt si producer)
> > > > > > lebih seru!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gabriella
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: johny_indon
> > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 11:28 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Omongan gabriella kayak kentut Re: [proletar] Re: ogah
> > > > > > tiru belanda? tirulah swedia
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬Ã
> > > > > > ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pikirkan juga bahwa faktanya di negara berbasis islam justru
> > > > > > perempuan pernah jadi
> > > > > > pemimpin negara.
> > > > > > pikirkan lagi bahwa di negara biang demokrasi yg udah puluhan kali
> > > > > > ganti presiden, belum pernah
> > > > > > sekalipun punya presiden cewek.
> > > > > > pikirkan juga bahwa film2 porno yg mengeksploitasi cewek habis2an
> > > > > > itu pemainnya lebih
> > > > > > banyak yg berkalung atau bertato salib.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dan hanya pemimpin di negara katolik yg berani menyelenggarakan
> > > > > > pesta 'bunga bunga party'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > buka mata buka telinga, perbanyak liat fakta, kurangi kibulan dan
> > > > > > fitnah.
> > > > > > jadilah salesgirl yg baik, yg menunjukkan keunggulan dagangannya,
> > > > > > bukan dgn
> > > > > > terus2an menjelekan barang milik orang lain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mengutip kata2 rarach: kalau lampu sendiri pengen keliatan lebih
> > > > > > terang itu caranya bukan
> > > > > > dengan mematikan lampu orang lain, tapi dengan menambah daya
> > > > > > sendiri.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013 10:20 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: ogah tiru belanda? tirulah swedia
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬Ã
> > > > > > > ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ
> > > > > > > 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬Ã
> > > > > > > ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > satu dari empat laki2 afrika selatan mengaku pernah melakukan
> > > > > > > perkosaan.
> > > > > > > delapan dari sepuluh penduduk afrika selatan beragama kresten.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hopefully item abu and gaby can do the math.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ingat motto hiperbola si ustad selangkangan itu?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nah, yang ini buat nambah pengetahuan ustad selangkangan
> > > > > > > > al mukaromah uplik hadjar privacy ungu.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 14 September 2012 Last updated at 23:37 GMT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sweden's rape rate under the spotlight
> > > > > > > > By Ruth Alexander BBC News
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Julian Assange extradition case has put Sweden's relatively
> > > > > > > > high
> > > > > > > > incidence of rape under the spotlight. But can such statistics
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > reliably compared from one country to another?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which two countries are the kidnapping capitals of the world?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Australia and Canada.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Official figures from the United Nations show that there were
> > > > > > > > 17
> > > > > > > > kidnaps per 100,000 people in Australia in 2010 and 12.7 in
> > > > > > > > Canada.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That compares with only 0.6 in Colombia and 1.1 in Mexico.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So why haven't we heard any of these horror stories? Are people
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > grabbed off the street in Sydney and Toronto, while the world
> > > > > > > > turns a
> > > > > > > > blind eye?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, the high numbers of kidnapping cases in these two countries
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > explained by the fact that parental disputes over child custody
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > included in the figures.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If one parent takes a child for the weekend, and the other
> > > > > > > > parent
> > > > > > > > objects and calls the police, the incident will be recorded as
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > kidnapping, according to Enrico Bisogno, a statistician with
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > United Nations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Comparing crime rates across countries is fraught with
> > > > > > > > difficulties -
> > > > > > > > this is well known among criminologists and statisticians, less
> > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > among journalists and commentators.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe, author Naomi Wolf
> > > > > > > > said on
> > > > > > > > the BBC's Newsnight programme recently. She was commenting on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > case of Julian Assange, the Wikileaks founder who is fighting
> > > > > > > > extradition from the UK to Sweden over rape and sexual assault
> > > > > > > > allegations that he denies.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it true? Yes. The Swedish police recorded the highest number
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > offences - about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants - of any force in
> > > > > > > > Europe,
> > > > > > > > in 2010. The second-highest in the world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This was three times higher than the number of cases in the
> > > > > > > > same year
> > > > > > > > in Sweden's next-door neighbour, Norway, and twice the rate in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > United States and the UK. It was more than 30 times the number
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > India, which recorded about two offences per 100,000 people.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more
> > > > > > > > dangerous
> > > > > > > > place than these other countries.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a
> > > > > > > > sociologist
> > > > > > > > at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She
> > > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > you cannot compare countries' records, because police
> > > > > > > > procedures and
> > > > > > > > legal definitions vary widely.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record
> > > > > > > > every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in
> > > > > > > > the statistics," she says.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she
> > > > > > > > says my
> > > > > > > > husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last
> > > > > > > > year,
> > > > > > > > the police have to record each of these events, which might be
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one
> > > > > > > > record
> > > > > > > > - one victim, one type of crime, one record."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in
> > > > > > > > Sweden - it's almost trebled in just the last seven years. In
> > > > > > > > 2003,
> > > > > > > > about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to
> > > > > > > > nearly
> > > > > > > > 6,000 in 2010.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So something's going on.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But Klara Selin says the statistics don't represent a major
> > > > > > > > crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate
> > > > > > > > about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades
> > > > > > > > has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and
> > > > > > > > encouraging women to go to the police if they have been
> > > > > > > > attacked.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The police have also made efforts to improve their handling of
> > > > > > > > cases,
> > > > > > > > she suggests, though she doesn't deny that there has been some
> > > > > > > > real
> > > > > > > > increase in the number of attacks taking place - a concern also
> > > > > > > > outlined in an Amnesty International report in 2010.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "There might also be some increase in actual crime because of
> > > > > > > > societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it's much
> > > > > > > > easier
> > > > > > > > these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want
> > > > > > > > to.
> > > > > > > > Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this
> > > > > > > > period.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "But the major explanation is partly that people go to the
> > > > > > > > police
> > > > > > > > more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been
> > > > > > > > reform in
> > > > > > > > the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of
> > > > > > > > rape
> > > > > > > > much wider than before."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The change in law meant that cases where the victim was asleep
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > intoxicated are now included in the figures. Previously they'd
> > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > recorded as another category of crime.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So an on-the-face-of-it international comparison of rape
> > > > > > > > statistics
> > > > > > > > can be misleading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Botswana has the highest rate of recorded attacks - 92.9 per
> > > > > > > > 100,000
> > > > > > > > people - but a total of 63 countries don't submit any
> > > > > > > > statistics,
> > > > > > > > including South Africa, where a survey three years ago showed
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > one in four men questioned admitted to rape.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In 2010, an Amnesty International report highlighted that
> > > > > > > > sexual
> > > > > > > > violence happens in every single country, and yet the official
> > > > > > > > figures show that some countries like Hong Kong and Mongolia
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > zero cases reported.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Evidently, women in some countries are much less likely to
> > > > > > > > report an
> > > > > > > > attack than in others and are much less likely to have their
> > > > > > > > complaint recorded.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > UN statistician Enrico Bisogno says surveys suggest that as few
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > one in 10 cases are ever reported to the police, in many
> > > > > > > > countries.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "We often present the situation as kind of an iceberg where
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > what we can see is just the tip while the rest is below the sea
> > > > > > > > level. It remains below the radar of the law enforcement
> > > > > > > > agencies,"
> > > > > > > > he says.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Naomi Wolf has also written that Sweden has the lowest
> > > > > > > > conviction
> > > > > > > > rate in Europe.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She was relying on statistics from a nine-year-old report,
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > calculated percentage conviction rates based on the number of
> > > > > > > > offences recorded by the police and the number of convictions.
> > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > this is a problematic way of analysing statistics, as several
> > > > > > > > offences could be committed by one person.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The United Nations holds official statistics on the number of
> > > > > > > > convictions for rape per 100,000 people and actually, by that
> > > > > > > > measure, Sweden has the highest number of convictions per
> > > > > > > > capita in
> > > > > > > > Europe, bar Russia. In 2010, 3.7 convictions were achieved per
> > > > > > > > 100,000 population.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Though it's still the case, as Wolf pointed out to the BBC,
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > women in Sweden report a high number of offences - and only a
> > > > > > > > small
> > > > > > > > number of rapists are punished.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So there's a lot that official statistics don't tell us. They
> > > > > > > > certainly don't reveal the real number of rapes that happen in
> > > > > > > > Sweden, or any other country. And they don't give a clear view
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > which countries have worse crime rates than others.
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> > > > > > > > Rape is particularly complex, but you'd think it would be
> > > > > > > > straightforward to analyse murder rates across different
> > > > > > > > countries -
> > > > > > > > just count up the dead bodies, and compare and contrast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If only, says Enrico Bisogno. "For example, if I punch somebody
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the person eventually dies, some countries can consider that as
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > intentional murder, others as a manslaughter. Or in some
> > > > > > > > countries,
> > > > > > > > dowry killings are coded separately because there is separate
> > > > > > > > legislation."
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> > > > > > > > What's more, a comparison of murder rates between developed and
> > > > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > developed countries may tell you as much about health as crime
> > > > > > > > levels, according to Professor Chris Lewis, a criminologist
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> > > > > > > > Portsmouth University in the UK.
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> > > > > > > > The statistics are to some unknown degree complicated by the
> > > > > > > > fact
> > > > > > > > that you're more likely to survive an attack in a town where
> > > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > > found quickly and taken to a hospital that's well-equipped.
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