Gua nanya ke si reza ayat mana yg bilang Islam hrs ngikutin adat setempat. Si reza kaing2 panjang lebar tp ga nunjukin ayat QUrannya.
Kayaknya si reza anggap kaing2nya itu adalah ayat QUran. On 6/30/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkran...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Memang bener Islam sesuai dengan kebudayaan setempat. Tepatnya sesuai dg > budaya dan adat-istiadat Mekkah dan mereka yg tinggal di sekitar Ummul > qura! > > Kalian harus mengakui bhw Qur'an diturunkan khusus untuk Mekkah dan > sekitarnya. Nabi Muhammad juga dipilih oleh Auloh khusus untuk orang2 Arab > yg bermukim di Mekkah dan sekitarnya.Sebelum ada yg mau berdusta (ber-Al > Taqiyya) Auloh mnyatakan bhw 'kepada setiap umat-bangsa dikirim seorang nabi > yg berasal dari suku-bangsa tsb.' Supaya nabi setempat itu dpt menyampaikan > perintahAuloh dlm bahasa setempat yg tentunya dimengerti orang setempat dan > yg tahu adat-istiadat, budaya setempat. > > Inilah yg tertulis dlm Al Qur'an Karim. Tidak ada perintah Auloh agar Islam > disesuaikan dengan budaya Aceh, Minang ataupun Jawa. Kalau sampai ada > penyesuaian ajaran Islam dg budaya, adat setempat di luarMekkah, maka ini > sudah jelas melanggar perintah Auloh. > > Gabriella > > > > ________________________________ > From: rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 7:46 PM > Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam at war with > itself! > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@...> wrote: >> >> Hehehe... kapan Islam hrs ngikut adat setempat? Coba tunjukin ayat >> mana yg bilang spt itu? >> > > Lah..., kan gw udah bilang, Islam di Indonesia, Islam di Pakistan, Islam di > Arab, semuanya beda2 berdasarkan adat istiadat setempat. Cuma aqidah nya > tetep sama Islam di seluruh dunia. > > Gini deh tem..., gw nggak usah jauh2 ngomong perbedaan Islam di luar negeri > deh. Susah sih ngomong ama kristen dogol kayak eloy ang kapasitas otaknya > terbatas. > > Islam di Jawa jelas berbeda dengan Islam di Minang. > > Islam di Jawa patriarch, Islam di Minang matriarch. > Islam di Jawa berziarah ke makam, Islam di Minang nggak pernah ziarah > kubur. > > Ini kan udah jelas, adat istiadat Jawa dan Minang berbeda tapi agamanya > tetap sama, Islam. Jadi, memang Islam itu udah jelas beradaptasi ngikutin > adat istiadat setempat. Ngerti nggak, njing..?? > >> Lu kan ngaku secara implisit bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek itu 1/2 >> dr kesaksian cowok. Emangnya lalu orang bisa buang ayat QUran itu unt >> diganti dgn hukum lain yg lbh masuk akal? >> >> Kl gitu, ayat Quran yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian cowok >> itu ga masuk akal, bukan? >> >> Dan lu milih2 ayat spy bisa lu sesuaikan dgn adat setempat. >> >> Silakan aja lu kaing2 ttg 65:4, tafsir bilang persis spt yg gua bilang. >> > > Gw udah bilang, kesaksian cewek 1/2 dari kesaksian cowok bisa aja terjadi di > negara arab ato di afghanistan, tapi yang jelas kesaksian cewek di > Indonesia sama aja dengan kesaksian cowok. > > Cuman kan, lo dan gerombolan kristen anjing dogol kagak punya otak sering > copas kejadian berita di arab, di pakistan, di afghanistan mulu. > > Udah deh, lo kasih aja ayat 65:4, lalu lo bahas dan debat langsung sama gw > disini pake pemikiran lo sendiri yang orisinal. > >> >> Lu ga mau ngikutin tafsir, Quran dan sunnah, itu artinya lu bukan >> muslim yg mukmin. >> >> > > Ya memang beda gw sama elo. > > Gw, di agama Islam, musti dipake otaknya. Segala macem keputusan musti > dipertimbangkan baik dan buruknya, istilah Islamnya 'manfaat dan > mudharatnya'. Setelah melalui pertimbangan yang matang barulah keputusan > diambil. > > Lo kan memang kristen sejati, kristen yang taat dan selalu mengikuti > perintah alkitab. Makanya lo tega ngembat ibu lo sendiri, lo halal > ngebuntingin anak lo sendiri, karena itu kan sesuai dengan perintah alkitab > yang penuh dogma. > > Bener gitu kan, tem? > > Hehehe... > >> >> On 6/27/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@...> wrote: >> > Coba >> > >> > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Lu ga pernah mau ngaku apa isi 65:4. >> >> >> > >> > >> > Ah.., omongan lo muter2 mulu kayak anjing lagi ngejar ekornya. >> > >> > Dulu kan ayat 65:4 ini udah pernah dibahas kalo lo sekarang mau >> > ngebahas >> > lagi, silahkan aja kasih ayat ini dan ngebahas lagi tentang masa iddah >> > itu. >> > >> > >> >> Hehehe... jadi lu ngaku bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek itu 1/2 dr >> >> kesaksian cowok, bukan? >> >> >> >> Kalo misal ada negara muslim yg ga melaksanakan konsep itu, itu sih >> >> cuma sekedar milih2 ayat yg ga disukai unt ga diterapkan. >> >> >> >> Knp ayat yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian cowok itu ga >> >> diterapkan? Jawabnya adalah krn ga masuk akal krn ga sesuai dgn fakta, >> >> melecehkan cewek dan nindas cewek. >> >> >> >> Betul ga yg gua bilang? >> >> >> >> Lu tanya ajaran Islam mana yg ga masuk akal, gua udah ngasih contohnya >> >> unt ngebuktikan kebenaran omongan gua. >> >> >> > >> > >> > Mana ada yang bener omongan manusiia berotak kosong dan bermental >> > anjing >> > kayak elo? >> > Gw kan udah kasih jawaban dibawah tuh tentang kesaksian perempuan di >> > Indonesia, artinya Islam sebagai agama universal beradaptasi dengan >> > adat >> > istiadat setempat. >> > >> > Makanya orang Islam di Arab, orang Islam di Pakistan, orang Islam di >> > Amerika, orang Islam di Indonesia, semuanya berbeda karena adat >> > istiadatnyanya berbeda. >> > >> > Kristen2 dogol kayak elo selalu copas berita2 dari Arab, Pakistan, >> > Aghan, >> > dan bilang Islam itu sama. >> > >> > >> >> Kl lu mau kaing2 tentang Alkitab, silakan aja lu terusin kaing2 lu. >> >> Gua ga hrs ngelayanin kaing2 dr anjing buduk kejepit buntut. >> >> >> > >> > >> > Bagus deh... >> > >> > Artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab isinya cabul dan sesat, makanya lo >> > halal >> > ngembat ibu lo sendiri, halal ngembat anak sendiri seperti anjing >> > seperti >> > perintah di alkitab. Hehehe.... >> > >> > Memang bukan cuma lo aja kok yang ngacir kalo membahas ayat2 di alkitab >> > yang >> > cabul dan sesat. Pendeta nub aja nggak berani membantah bahwa alkitab >> > memang cabul dan sesat kok... >> > >> > >> >> BUat gua, semakin sering lu kaing2 spt itu, semakin kliatan betapa >> >> dungunya anjing2 buduk piaraan orang Islam spt suryana dan Teddy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/26/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Ngasih masa iddah ke cewek ingusan yg blm mens itu masuk akal ga? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Mana ada yang disebut 'masa iddah ke cewe ingusan yang blom mens'? >> >> > >> >> > Ini kan cuman opini goblok lo aja. >> >> > Udah pernah kan lo berdebat dengan gw tentang masa iddah bukan untuk >> >> > cewe >> >> > ingusan, tapi lo tetep aja dengan pikiran opini dogol lo nganggap >> >> > masa >> >> > iddah >> >> > adalah cewe ingusan yang blom mens. >> >> > >> >> > Lo bisa browsing di internet yang namanya masa iddah... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksiakn cowok masuk akal ga? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Kenyataannya, saksi cw nggak kayak gitu di negara Muslim, dan juga >> >> > negara >> >> > muslim terbesar di dunia seperti di Indonesia, semua saksi cewe >> >> > harganya >> >> > sama dengan saksi cowo. >> >> > >> >> > Lha.., kok lo ngacir ketika ditanya tentang ayat2 di alkitab yang >> >> > cabul >> >> > dan >> >> > sesat, tem? Karena tidak ada orang kristen dan bahkan pendeta >> >> > kristen >> >> > yang >> >> > membantah hal itu, artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab itu cabul dan >> >> > sesat >> >> > ya? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/25/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> >> > Yang mana ajaran Islam yang nggak masuk akal? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hadis memang musti dipilih2 karena orang Islam tau ada hadis >> >> >> > palsu >> >> >> > dan >> >> >> > hadis >> >> >> > sahih. Itu yang gw bilang musti dipake akalnya. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Beda dengan elo dan kristen dogol yang nggak dipake akalnya. >> >> >> > Tertulis >> >> >> > di >> >> >> > alkitab halal ngembat ibu sendiri, lo embat ibu lo sendiri, halal >> >> >> > ngembat >> >> >> > anak sendiri, lo embat anak lo sendiri sampe bunting. Halal >> >> >> > memperkosa >> >> >> > adik >> >> >> > lo sendiri, lo perkosa adik lo juga. Memang agama kristen penuh >> >> >> > dengan >> >> >> > dogma, seperti diakui oleh tawangalun asli kok. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Lalu, apa bedanya lo sama anjing tem? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Si reza ngaku di milis ini bhw dia pilih2 hadis yg sesuai >> >> >> >> seleranya, >> >> >> >> artinya hadis yg ga dipilih itu kalo bukannya dia ga suka ya dia >> >> >> >> anggap ga masuk akal. Dgn sendirinya, ayat QUran jg diperlakukan >> >> >> >> sama >> >> >> >> spt hadis, jg ajaran Islam yg ada di syariat iblisnya. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ngakunya sih agamanya itu kompatibel dg akal, padahal yg tjd >> >> >> >> adalah >> >> >> >> agamanya disesuaikan dgn kemauannya, krn ga kompatibel. Hrs >> >> >> >> dimodifikasi. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Emang dungu orang2 Islam itu. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/23/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >> >> >> >> > And I qooute "Islam bikin cerdas dan pilihan agama harus >> >> >> >> > kompatibel >> >> >> >> > dengan >> >> >> >> > akal". >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Apakah ini berarti ajaran Islam kompatibel dg akal? >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengajarkan permusuhan; >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg menelecehkan 50% dari manusia yaitukiaum perempuan >> >> >> >> > yg >> >> >> >> > diangap >> >> >> >> > deficient dlm akal; >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengamini tahayul: nabi naik Bouraq ke sorga; >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg salah ngajarin ttg embryo development; >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg ngajarin ada 7 langit dan 7 bumi; >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg bilang bhw matahari terbenam di mataa air keruh di >> >> >> >> > ujung >> >> >> >> > barat >> >> >> >> > bumi (artinya buminya datar spt tempat tidur orang bedu); >> >> >> >> > - Agama yg ajarannya saling bertentangan. Misalnya: agamamu >> >> >> >> > bagi >> >> >> >> > mu >> >> >> >> > dst. >> >> >> >> > tapi bunuhlah mereka yg tidak percaya pd Alah dan Nabi dan >> >> >> >> > puluhan >> >> >> >> > lainnya. >> >> >> >> > - Kalau hal2 di atas mnrt anda kompatibel dg akal, maka aku >> >> >> >> > pikir >> >> >> >> > akalnya yg >> >> >> >> > kurang waras dan sekedar akal2n. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Gabriella >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > PS >> >> >> >> > Tanya pd diri anda kenapa jutaan Muslim berbondong2 ingin >> >> >> >> > bernaung >> >> >> >> > di >> >> >> >> > negara2 kafir? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> >> >> > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> >> >> >> >> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:38 PM >> >> >> >> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Islam at war with itself! >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Si gabby lagi ngayal... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Kalau keadaan spt ini berlangsung dlm dekade2 mendatang, maka >> >> >> >> >> tidak >> >> >> >> >> mustahil kalau Islam akan hancur dari dalam. Islam might >> >> >> >> >> implode >> >> >> >> >> without >> >> >> >> >> any interference from any outside agencies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Padahal udah jelas menurut Pew Research, Islam adalah agama >> >> >> >> > yang >> >> >> >> > paling >> >> >> >> > bersinar dan Kristen agama yang meredup ditinggalkan >> >> >> >> > pengikutnya. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Semuanya udah jelas, ajaran goblok yang penuh dogma akan >> >> >> >> > ditinggalkan >> >> >> >> > pengikutnya karena manusia udah semakin cerdas dan pilihan >> >> >> >> > agama >> >> >> >> > harus >> >> >> >> > kompatibel dengan akal. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> FYI: article dari Pakistan yg menarik yg menunjukkan Muslim >> >> >> >> >> saling >> >> >> >> >> memushi >> >> >> >> >> Muslim. Balas dendam dianggap sebagai keadilan. Memaafkan >> >> >> >> >> dianggap >> >> >> >> >> sebagai >> >> >> >> >> kelemahan! Kalau keadaan spt ini berlangsung dlm dekade2 >> >> >> >> >> mendatang, >> >> >> >> >> maka >> >> >> >> >> tidak mustahil kalau Islam akan hancur dari dalam. Islam >> >> >> >> >> might >> >> >> >> >> implode >> >> >> >> >> without any interference from any outside agencies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gabriella >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> June 20, 2013 hancurSpecial Dispatch No.5342 >> >> >> >> >> Article In Pakistani >> >> >> >> >> Daily â€" 'Islam At War â€" With Itself': 'Muslim Societies >> >> >> >> >> Have... >> >> >> >> >> Evolved >> >> >> >> >> Into Places Where Revenge Is Confused With Justice, >> >> >> >> >> Forgiveness >> >> >> >> >> With >> >> >> >> >> Weakness, And Peace With Cowardice' >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pakistan and many Islamic countries are witnessing targeted >> >> >> >> >> killings of Shia Muslims by Sunni jihadi forces such as the >> >> >> >> >> Taliban >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> Al-Qaeda (image courtesy: shiapost.om) >> >> >> >> >> Given below are excerpts from an article that appeared in a >> >> >> >> >> leading >> >> >> >> >> Pakistani daily following the June 15, 2013 terror attacks in >> >> >> >> >> Quetta, >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> capital of Pakistan's Baluchistan province, where a female >> >> >> >> >> suicide >> >> >> >> >> bomber >> >> >> >> >> attacked a bus carrying female students and later the >> >> >> >> >> militants >> >> >> >> >> laid >> >> >> >> >> siege >> >> >> >> >> to a >> >> >> >> >> medical complex where the injured were being treated. >> >> >> >> >> The article, titled "Islam at War â€" With >> >> >> >> >> Itself" by prominent commentator Murtaza Haider, was >> >> >> >> >> published >> >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> >> Dawn, >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> liberal Pakistani newspaper. In it, Haider argues that the >> >> >> >> >> debate >> >> >> >> >> in the Islamic world focuses on the conflicts where Muslims >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> oppressed >> >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> >> non-Muslims, while conveniently failing to raise a debate as >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> why >> >> >> >> >> Muslims are >> >> >> >> >> killing Muslims. >> >> >> >> >> Following are excerpts from the article:[1] >> >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo In Syria To Quetta In Baluchistan, Muslims Are >> >> >> >> >> Engaged In The Slaughter Of Other Muslims"; "Many Wonder If >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> Belief In Islam Is Sufficient To Bind Muslims In Peace With >> >> >> >> >> Each >> >> >> >> >> Other" >> >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo in Syria to Quetta in >> >> >> >> >> Baluchistan, Muslims are engaged in the slaughter of other >> >> >> >> >> Muslims. >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> numbers >> >> >> >> >> are enormous: over >> >> >> >> >> 93,000 killed in the Syrian civil war and over >> >> >> >> >> 48,000 dead in Pakistan [since 2004]. >> >> >> >> >> "Millions >> >> >> >> >> have perished in similar intra-Muslim conflicts in the past >> >> >> >> >> four >> >> >> >> >> decades. >> >> >> >> >> Many >> >> >> >> >> wonder if the belief in Islam is sufficient to bind Muslims >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> peace >> >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >> each >> >> >> >> >> other. >> >> >> >> >> "Since >> >> >> >> >> the end of the Second World War, the world has moved in two >> >> >> >> >> distinct >> >> >> >> >> directions. The West, mostly Christian, has tried to minimize >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> intra-European conflict and has largely been successful with >> >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> >> exceptions. >> >> >> >> >> The Muslim world, on the other hand, has fallen into one >> >> >> >> >> violent >> >> >> >> >> conflict >> >> >> >> >> after >> >> >> >> >> another, involving mostly Muslims. >> >> >> >> >> "Several >> >> >> >> >> intra-Muslim conflicts continue to simmer as proxy wars. In >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> '80s, >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> Iran-Iraq war alone left millions dead. More recently, a car >> >> >> >> >> bomb >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> Iraq >> >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >> Sunday [June 16, 2013] killed another 39 in the sectarian >> >> >> >> >> warfare >> >> >> >> >> between >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> Shias and Sunnis that killed at least 1,045 in May 2013." >> >> >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> Overwhelming Evidence... Suggests That The Sectarian And >> >> >> >> >> Tribal >> >> >> >> >> Divisions >> >> >> >> >> Amongst Muslims And Justifying Violence In The Name Of >> >> >> >> >> Religion >> >> >> >> >> Are >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> Primary >> >> >> >> >> Causes Of Why Islam Is At War With Itself" >> >> >> >> >> "As the >> >> >> >> >> violence amongst Muslims increases, most Muslims prefer >> >> >> >> >> denial, >> >> >> >> >> or >> >> >> >> >> look >> >> >> >> >> for scapegoats. >> >> >> >> >> Those in denial believe no such violence exists and the >> >> >> >> >> entire >> >> >> >> >> issue >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> made up >> >> >> >> >> by the Western-controlled media. Others blame it on >> >> >> >> >> scapegoats >> >> >> >> >> â€" >> >> >> >> >> Indians >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> Americans are the most frequently blamed. >> >> >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> overwhelming evidence, however, suggests that the sectarian >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> tribal >> >> >> >> >> divisions amongst Muslims and justifying violence in the name >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> religion >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> the primary causes of why Islam is at war with itself. >> >> >> >> >> "In >> >> >> >> >> Pakistan, confessions and appalling claims of responsibility >> >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> spokespersons for the Tehreek-e-Taliban and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi >> >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> leave >> >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> doubt [as to] where the guilt resides. At the same time, the >> >> >> >> >> Pakistani >> >> >> >> >> intelligence >> >> >> >> >> agencies have put together incriminating evidence running >> >> >> >> >> into >> >> >> >> >> hundreds >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> thousands of pages against the extremist sectarian outfits, >> >> >> >> >> Al-Qaeda >> >> >> >> >> affiliates, the nationalist militias in Baluchistan, and >> >> >> >> >> others >> >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >> perpetrated indiscriminate violence against civilians and the >> >> >> >> >> state >> >> >> >> >> resulting >> >> >> >> >> in over 48,000 deaths since 2004. >> >> >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> hate-fuelled gulfs that divide Muslims are so wide that not >> >> >> >> >> only >> >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> >> >> >> civilians, but doctors and others who try to save victims of >> >> >> >> >> violence >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> also >> >> >> >> >> targeted by the extremists.The attack on the Bolan Medical >> >> >> >> >> Complex >> >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >> Saturday [June 15, 2013 in Quetta], >> >> >> >> >> which left scores dead, including four nurses, was not the >> >> >> >> >> first >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> its >> >> >> >> >> kind. A >> >> >> >> >> sectarian [Shia-Sunni] attack in Karachi in February 2010 was >> >> >> >> >> followed >> >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> >> a bomb attack on the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical >> >> >> >> >> Centre Hospital where >> >> >> >> >> victims were rushed for treatment. More than 25 Shia Muslims >> >> >> >> >> perished >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> two attacks." >> >> >> >> >> "From >> >> >> >> >> The Very First Day, Muslims Are Taught That Their Belief In >> >> >> >> >> Islam >> >> >> >> >> Trumps >> >> >> >> >> All >> >> >> >> >> Other Identities That They May Hold"; "Why Then, Have >> >> >> >> >> Millions >> >> >> >> >> Of >> >> >> >> >> Muslims Died At The Hands Of Their Fellow Believers?" >> >> >> >> >> "And while >> >> >> >> >> the Muslim-on-Muslim violence is claiming victims all over >> >> >> >> >> Pakistan, >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> violence against non-Muslims, including Hindus and >> >> >> >> >> Christians, >> >> >> >> >> often >> >> >> >> >> brings >> >> >> >> >> together Muslims of different stripes, who would otherwise be >> >> >> >> >> fighting >> >> >> >> >> each >> >> >> >> >> other, in attacking religious minorities. >> >> >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> targeted killings of university professors in Karachi and >> >> >> >> >> Quetta, >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> murder of >> >> >> >> >> Shia doctors and professionals, and the attacks on the >> >> >> >> >> shrines >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> patron >> >> >> >> >> saints >> >> >> >> >> [i.e. Sufi mystics] are all evidence of the fact that Muslims >> >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >> been >> >> >> >> >> killing >> >> >> >> >> other Muslims while being motivated by hate and using Islam >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> justify >> >> >> >> >> violence. >> >> >> >> >> "Why >> >> >> >> >> is that the belief in Islam is not sufficient to prevent >> >> >> >> >> violence >> >> >> >> >> amongst >> >> >> >> >> Muslims? >> >> >> >> >> "From >> >> >> >> >> the very first day, Muslims are taught that their belief in >> >> >> >> >> Islam >> >> >> >> >> trumps >> >> >> >> >> all >> >> >> >> >> other identities that they may hold. Their skin color, tribe, >> >> >> >> >> caste, >> >> >> >> >> or >> >> >> >> >> creed â€" >> >> >> >> >> none matters once they enter the fold of Islam. Why then, >> >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >> millions >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> Muslims died at the hands of their fellow believers?" >> >> >> >> >> "Political, >> >> >> >> >> Religious, And Other Leaders In The Muslim World Have Kept >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> Dialogue >> >> >> >> >> Focused >> >> >> >> >> On The Conflicts Where Muslims Have Been The Victims"; >> >> >> >> >> "Seldom >> >> >> >> >> Has >> >> >> >> >> The Dialogue Focused On Why Muslims Kill Other Muslims" >> >> >> >> >> "Political, >> >> >> >> >> religious, and other leaders in the Muslim world have kept >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> dialogue >> >> >> >> >> focused >> >> >> >> >> on the conflicts where Muslims have been the victims. The >> >> >> >> >> Bosnian >> >> >> >> >> conflict, the >> >> >> >> >> communal violence in India, which has caused the death of >> >> >> >> >> thousands >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> Muslims, >> >> >> >> >> and the Arab-Israeli conflict have been the focus of Muslim >> >> >> >> >> leaders. >> >> >> >> >> "Seldom >> >> >> >> >> has the dialogue focused on why Muslims kill other Muslims. >> >> >> >> >> And >> >> >> >> >> even >> >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> topic ever comes up, it ends up being an exercise in mass >> >> >> >> >> scapegoating. >> >> >> >> >> "Muslim >> >> >> >> >> societies have thus evolved into places where revenge is >> >> >> >> >> confused >> >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >> justice, >> >> >> >> >> forgiveness with weakness, and peace with cowardice. These >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> places >> >> >> >> >> where >> >> >> >> >> unholy men wage holy wars against unarmed civilians, pitching >> >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> >> >> >> against >> >> >> >> >> other Muslims. >> >> >> >> >> "Imagine the state of mind of the person who >> >> >> >> >> wore a suicide vest and boarded the bus carrying young women >> >> >> >> >> [on >> >> >> >> >> June >> >> >> >> >> 15 >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> Quetta] whose bright faces were lit with the pride of being >> >> >> >> >> educated. >> >> >> >> >> There was >> >> >> >> >> no reason to attack these innocent women who were unarmed and >> >> >> >> >> unrelated >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> any >> >> >> >> >> conflict. But that did not deter the suicide bomber who >> >> >> >> >> proceeded >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> kill >> >> >> >> >> them and herself in a suicide attack." >> >> >> >> >> "A >> >> >> >> >> Group Of Men Chanted With Pride 'Allah-u-Akbar'..., >> >> >> >> >> Eulogizing >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> Female >> >> >> >> >> Suicide Bomber For Killing [Female Students]"; "This Was All >> >> >> >> >> Done >> >> >> >> >> In >> >> >> >> >> The Name Of Islam; This Will Be Repeated Sooner Than Later; >> >> >> >> >> Some >> >> >> >> >> Would >> >> >> >> >> Argue >> >> >> >> >> This Is Not The 'Real' Islam" >> >> >> >> >> "Moments >> >> >> >> >> before the blast, the young women were ignorant of the pain >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> would >> >> >> >> >> soon be >> >> >> >> >> inflicted on them. They must [have been] smiling and talking >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> >> >> friends, >> >> >> >> >> planning for the rest of the day and for what lay ahead in >> >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> >> >> lives. >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> suicide bomber looked at the faces of the women who, if given >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> opportunity, >> >> >> >> >> would most certainly have improved the plight of their >> >> >> >> >> impoverished >> >> >> >> >> nation...." >> >> >> >> >> "Somewhere >> >> >> >> >> in or near Quetta, a group of men chanted with pride, >> >> >> >> >> 'Allah-u-Akbar' >> >> >> >> >> (God >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> great), eulogizing the female suicide bomber for killing the >> >> >> >> >> very >> >> >> >> >> women >> >> >> >> >> [students] who held the most promise for Pakistan. Their >> >> >> >> >> spokesperson >> >> >> >> >> called >> >> >> >> >> the news outlets to claim responsibility for the attack on >> >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> >> >> >> women. >> >> >> >> >> Later, at the Bolan Medical Complex in Quetta, another group >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> men, >> >> >> >> >> armed >> >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >> AK-47 and wearing suicide vests, engaged the security >> >> >> >> >> personnel >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> standoff >> >> >> >> >> that left several more dead, including four nurses who were >> >> >> >> >> attending >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> wounded from the earlier blast. >> >> >> >> >> "This was all done in the name of Islam. This >> >> >> >> >> will be repeated sooner than later. Some would argue this is >> >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> 'real' >> >> >> >> >> Islam. Does it really matter what real Islam is when its true >> >> >> >> >> followers >> >> >> >> >> cannot >> >> >> >> >> stand against those who use religion to commit genocide?" >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> Endnote: >> >> >> >> >> [1] Dawn.com (Pakistan), June 17, 2013. The original English >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> the article has been lightly edited for clarity and >> >> >> >> >> standardization. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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