Saya ulang menyampaikan.. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/11/11/blasphemy-not-a-crime-un-official.html
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@...> wrote: > > bener sama salah itu urusannya sama referensi. > > Menghina agama tidak salah menurut hukum belanda. Bukan tindakan kriminal dan > si pelaku nddak bisa dijerat sama hukum Pidana. Itu sebabnya uplik terus > menerus menistakan Islam. Tanpa khawatir masuk bui. > > Kebenaran versi belanda ini apan nddak sama dengan versi Indonesia. Itulah > sebabnya, saat Alex Aan ikut ikutan seperti Uplik, maka Alex Aan masuk > penjara. > > Perbuatannya sama. Yang satu dilakukan oleh uplik di belanda, yang satu > dilakukan oleh Alex Aan di Indonesia. Refernsi kebenaran nya beda. Hasilnya ? > Uplik tetep bisa joging sambil terus menistakan agama islam setiap hari tanpa > henti, sedangkan Alex Aan apanan boro - boro joging, tiep hari harus > menikmati sumpek nya hidup di balik terali besi. > > Referensi benar atau salah di Indonesia ya hukum negara Indonesia. Adalah > benar bagi habe menunggangi mobil di sebelah kanan jalan, namun yang benar > menurut aturan cara berkendara di Amerika apanan jadi salah ketika kita ada > di Indonesia. Da di Indonesia mah bawa mobil itu harus di kiri. > > Yang repot itu apanan ketika ada orang arap yang mau menerapkan 100% budaya > arap di Indonesia. > > Ya nddak bisa. > > Meskipun bawa ajaran Islam, ya Islam nya mosti di akulturasi kan dengan > budaya Indonesia. Nddak bisa "Plek" 100% di copy paste. > > Makanya saya bilang, yang bener buat umat islam indonesia mah ya Islam versi > Indonesia. Bukan Islam Versi Arap. > > Islam Indonesia itu jelas BERBEDA dengan Islam arap. > > Di sinimah ada lebaran, ada nabuh beduk, ada haal bihalal ... > > Sok nabuh beduk di arab ... insyAllah ditangkep. dengan tuduhan "Bid'ah". > > gituh. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "johny_indon" <johny_indon@> wrote: > > > > > > > > halal haramnya kawin mutah ujung2nya balik lagi ke pribadi masing2. > > > > di indonesia yg kawin mutah, atau mengawini anak di bawah umur, jelas > > bakalan masuk penjara. > > padahal polisinya muslim, jaksanya muslim, hakimnya juga muslim. > > di negara lain ya ngga tau. > > orang2 mui yg mengharamkan kawin mutah itu juga pasti baca hadis juga. > > > > intinya manusia itu diberi akal untuk menentukan sendiri mana yg baik dan > > mana yg benar. > > kalo ada manusia yg hanya manut apa kata buku, atau percaya > > begitu saja apa kata orang lain, tanpa menimbang baik buruknya, ya > > sama aja akalnya ngga dipake. > > > > as simple as that. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > Berikut adalah jawaban dari kolega Shiah. > > > > > > Mutah Is Valid In Sunnism According To Their Books > > > > > > I opened this thread to prove to the readers that our Sunni brethren > > > either do not read their own "sahih" books or they simply try to avoid > > > the truth behind Mutah marriage being valid in their Aqeedah. I will only > > > use hadith from their two most authentic books according to them being > > > Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim to back up my statement. > > > > > > After reading the hadiths below, one can logically interpret that Mutah > > > marriage is a valid marriage that reflects on the Sharia that was > > > established by the prophet(SAW) and was BANNED by Umar when he became the > > > second caliph. > > > > > > The meaning of these hadiths is clear and logically responds to the mind. > > > > > > I read some topics on the internet before that try to refute my statement > > > and try their best to twist the meaning of these hadiths in order to > > > prove that mutah is haram but the arguments they used are very week. I > > > have not yet came across one solid and logical argument from them that > > > proved that the meaning of these hadiths is contrary to my statement > > > > > > It is also worth mentioning that often times, our Sunni brethren, weather > > > they are in our family, schoolmates or co-workers question us about the > > > validity of Mutah marriage and some even label it as fornication. That > > > being said, when one is under this type of situation and being asked as > > > such , it is best to directly expose them to these hadiths so they are > > > aware of what is written in the books that the foundations of their > > > aqeedah(creed) is based on. That way, they will be more prone to research > > > in depth and hopefully be convinced that Mutah is logically valid in > > > Islam unlike what their scholars say. > > > > > > > > > And here are the hadiths. > > > > > > > > > - Mut'ah During Wartime > > > > > > Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139: > > > > > > Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by > > > the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the > > > Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do > > > that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by > > > giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do > > > not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you." > > > > > > > > > - Mut'ah Banned by Umar > > > > > > > > > Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43: > > > > > > Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's > > > Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed > > > in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he > > > died. But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested > > > > > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250: > > > > > > Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a > > > person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on > > > the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir > > > said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger > > > pbuh Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3248: > > > > > > Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform > > > 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different > > > things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he > > > said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage > > > during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet pbuh and during the time of Abi > > > Bakr and 'Umar > > > > > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3249: > > > > > > Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a > > > handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's > > > Messenger pbuh and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in > > > the case of 'Amr b. Huraith. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261: > > > > > > 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and delivered > > > an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some > > > people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious > > > verdict in favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person > > > (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, > > > devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of > > > the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn > > > Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I > > > will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. > > > Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a > > > person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and > > > he permitted him to do it. > > > > > > > > > - Mut'ah During Life of Rasulullah [s] > > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252: > > > > > > Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary > > > marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana > > > 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves > > > to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What > > > dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My > > > cloak. And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was > > > younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she > > > liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to > > > her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I > > > remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: > > > He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, > > > he should let her off. > > > > > > > > > I hope that was helpful and informative for some. > > > > > > http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235011006-mutah-is-valid-in-sunnism-according-to-their-books/ > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "johny_indon" <johny_indon@> wrote: > > > > > > > > /read/2012/10/26/25402/0/17/Fatwa-Ulama-Terkait-Kawin-Kontrak > > > > > > > > Dalam fatwanya, MUI memutuskan bahwa nikah kontrak atau mut'ah hukumnya > > > > haram. Fatwa nikah kontrak yang ditandatangani Ketua Umum MUI, KH > > > > Hasan Basri, dan Ketua Komisi Fatwa MUI, KH Ibrahim Hosen, itu juga > > > > bersikap keras kepada pelaku nikah mut'ah. > > > > > > > > ''Pelaku nikah mut'ah harus dihadapkan ke pengadilan sesuai dengan > > > > peraturan perundang-undangan yang berlaku,'' begitu bunyi poin kedua > > > > keputusan fatwa kawin kontrak itu. Sebagai dasar hukumnya, MUI > > > > bersandar pada Alquran surah al-Mukminun ayat 5-6. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Terus terang saya tadinya tidak percaya akan hal ini. > > > > > Kolega saya yang orang Shiah tidak tahu artinya hingga pertanyaan > > > > > akhirnya diberikan pada kolega lain yang kelahiran Mesir di mana > > > > > menurut dia arti kata'mutah' adalah 'having fun'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mutah itu artiny nikmat, bukan kontrak, goblok! Dan ada kata > > > > > > "nikmati" yg > > > > > > berasal dr kata mutah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/8/19 Tawangalun <tawangalun@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La ini Q 4:24 saya punya yg tafsir terjemahan perkata: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan dihalalkan bagi kalian apa yg dibelakang(selain) demikian itu > > > > > > > bahwa > > > > > > > kalian mencari dg harta kalian untuk dikawini tdk/bukan untuk > > > > > > > berzina maka > > > > > > > apa yg telah kalian nikmati dengannya dari mereka maka berikan > > > > > > > kpd mereka > > > > > > > mahar/maskawin suatu kewajiban dan tdk berdosa atas/bagi kalian > > > > > > > terhadap > > > > > > > apa (sesuatu) kalian tetap saling merelakan bla bla bla. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi kata kontrak ataupun mutah disurah tsb gak ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Memang dulu ketika jaman perang dimana saya lupa Mutah pernah > > > > > > > dihalalkan > > > > > > > tapi akirnya diharamkan.Jadi bagi yg sekarang sering mutah > > > > > > > dipuncak itu > > > > > > > nyrempet2 bahaya saya gak berani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ada kata mutah di 4:24, goblok! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (...Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to > > > > > > > > seek them > > > > > > > > with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > protection (from sin), not fornication. *So for whatever you > > > > > > > > have had of > > > > > > > > pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract, give unto > > > > > > > > them their > > > > > > > > appointed wages as a duty*. And there is no sin for you in what > > > > > > > > you both > > > > > > > > agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) > > > > > > > > duty. Lo! > > > > > > > > Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/8/19 Tawangalun <tawangalun@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gak ada Fiq Q 4:24 bukan masalah mutah,bahkan kata2 mutah gak > > > > > > > > > ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karena Tawang itu gila dia tidak tahu bahwa orang shiah > > > > > > > > > > bilang kawin > > > > > > > > > muta itu ada di khurafah najis al-Musahf, yaitu 4:24 .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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