Please click Rape of Bangladesh by Pakistan in 1971. One million women were raped and tens of thousands of men were butchered. Also Google the History of Islamic invasion of India. Muslims destroyed libraries, books, and universities because they wer crazed and were stupid illiterte brutes. Gabriella
________________________________ From: ab rahim abdul hamid <arah1...@yahoo.com> To: Gabriella Rantau <gkran...@yahoo.com> Cc: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>; "debate-religious-spiritual...@yahoogroups.com" <debate-religious-spiritual...@yahoogroups.com>; "indonesia-ris...@yahoogroups.com" <indonesia-ris...@yahoogroups.com>; "islam-kris...@yahoogroups.com" <islam-kris...@yahoogroups.com>; "matius10...@yahoo.co.id" <matius10...@yahoo.co.id>; "murtadin_kafi...@yahoogroups.com" <murtadin_kafi...@yahoogroups.com>; "parapemi...@yahoogroups.com" <parapemi...@yahoogroups.com>; "rambitese...@rocketmail.com" <rambitese...@rocketmail.com>; "zama...@yahoogroups.com" <zama...@yahoogroups.com>; ab rahim abdul hamid <arah1...@yahoo.com>; hans mandala <hans_manda...@yahoo.com>; Iman K. <alexander_soebr...@yahoo.com.sg>; kepalaemase01 <kepalaemas...@yahoo.com>; pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyulians...@yahoo.com>; rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com>; s s <suryaunivers...@gmail.com>; UangReceh. com <ad...@uangreceh.com>; "tawanga...@yahoo.com" <tawanga...@yahoo.com>; "yesus_bukantu...@yahoo.ca" <yesus_bukantu...@yahoo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2013 9:56 PM Subject: [Indonesia-Rising] Terrorism and the Other Religions Terrorism and the Other Religions By Juan Cole, Informed Comment 24 April 13 ontrary to what is alleged by bigots like Bill Maher, Muslims are not more violent than people of other religions. Murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States. As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression. This massive carnage did not occur because European Christians are worse than or different from other human beings, but because they were the first to industrialize war and pursue a national model. Sometimes it is argued that they did not act in the name of religion but of nationalism. But, really, how naive. Religion and nationalism are closely intertwined. The British monarch is the head of the Church of England, and that still meant something in the first half of the twentieth century, at least. The Swedish church is a national church. Spain? Was it really unconnected to Catholicism? Did the Church and Francisco Franco's feelings toward it play no role in the Civil War? And what's sauce for the goose: much Muslim violence is driven by forms of modern nationalism, too. I don't figure that Muslims killed more than a 2 million people or so in political violence in the entire twentieth century, and that mainly in the Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988 and the Soviet and post-Soviet wars in Afghanistan, for which Europeans bear some blame. Compare that to the Christian European tally of, oh, lets say 100 million (16 million in WW I, 60 million in WW II - though some of those were attributable to Buddhists in Asia - and millions more in colonial wars.) Belgium - yes, the Belgium of strawberry beer and quaint Gravensteen castle - conquered the Congo and is estimated to have killed off half of its inhabitants over time, some 8 million people at least. Or, between 1916-1930 Tsarist Russian and then Soviet forces - facing the revolt of Central Asians trying to throw off Christian (and then Marxist), European rule - Russian forces killed an estimated 1.5 million people. Two boys brought up in or born in one of those territories (Kyrgyzstan) just killed 4 people and wounded others critically. That is horrible, but no one, whether in Russia or in Europe or in North Americahas the slightest idea that Central Asians were mass-murdered during WW I and before and after, and looted of much of their wealth. Russia when it brutally conquered and ruled the Caucasus and Central Asia was an Eastern Orthodox, Christian empire (and seems to be reemerging as one!). Then, between half a million and a million Algerians died in that country's war of independence from France, 1954-1962, at a time when the population was only 11 million! I could go on and on. Everywhere you dig in European colonialism in Afro-Asia, there are bodies. Lots of bodies. Now that I think of it, maybe 100 million people killed by people of European Christian heritage in the twentieth century is an underestimate. As for religious terrorism, that too is universal. Admittedly, some groups deploy terrorism as a tactic more at some times than others. Zionists in British Mandate Palestine were active terrorists in the 1940s, from a British point of view, and in the period 1965-1980, the FBI considered the Jewish Defense League among the most active US terrorist groups. (Members at one point plotted to assassinate Rep. Dareell Issa (R-CA) because of his Lebanese heritage.) Now that Jewish nationalsts are largely getting their way, terrorism has declined among them. But it would likely reemerge if they stopped getting their way. In fact, one of the arguments Israeli politicians give for allowing Israeli squatters to keep the Palestinian land in the West Bank that they have usurped is that attempting to move them back out would produce violence. I.e., the settlers not only actually terrorize the Palestinians, but they form a terrorism threat for Israel proper (as the late prime minister Yitzhak Rabin discovered). Even more recently, it is difficult for me to see much of a difference between Tamerlan Tsarnaev andBaruch Goldstein, perpetrator of the Hebron massacre. Or there was the cold-blooded bombing of the Ajmer shrine in India by Bhavesh Patel and a gang of Hindu nationalists. Chillingly, they were disturbed when a second bomb they had set did not go off, so that they did not wreak as much havoc as they would have liked. Ajmer is an ecumenical Sufi shrine also visited by Hindus, and these bigots wanted to stop such open-minded sharing of spiritual spaces because they hate Muslims. Buddhists have committed a lot of terrorism and other violence as well. Many in the Zen orders in Japan supported militarism in the first half of the twentieth century, for which their leaders later apologized. And, you had Inoue Shiro's assassination campaign in 1930s Japan. Nowadays militant Buddhist monks in Burma/ Myanmar are urging on an ethnic cleansing campaign against the Rohingya. As for Christianity, the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda initiated hostilities that displaced two million people. Although it is an African cult, it is Christian in origin and the result of Western Christian missionaries preaching in Africa. If Saudi Wahhabi preachers can be in part blamed for the Taliban, why do Christian missionaries skate when we consider the blowback from their pupils? Despite the very large number of European Muslims, in 2007-2009 less than 1 percent of terrorist acts in that continent were committed by people from that community. Terrorism is a tactic of extremists within each religion, and within secular religions of Marxism or nationalism. No religion, including Islam, preaches indiscriminate violence against innocents. It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as "nice" and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll I mentioned above. Human beings are human beings and the species is too young and too interconnected to have differentiated much from group to group. People resort to violence out of ambition or grievance, and the more powerful they are, the more violence they seem to commit. The good news is that the number of wars is declining over time, and World War II, the biggest charnel house in history, hasn't been repeated. ________________________________ From: Gabriella Rantau <gkran...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [proletar] Iran Government Campaign To Halt Spread Of Christianity Tidak mengherankan kalau pemerintah theocratic Iran melakukan kampanye melawan arus pemurtadan Muslim ke agama lain khususnya agama Kristen. Dari zaman Nabi Muhammad Muslim sudah selalu memusuhi non-Muslim dg segala cara: persuasion, intimidasi, perambpokan dan pembunuhan serta pengusiran non-Muslim dari semenanjung Arabia. Kejadian ini terus dilakukan thdp banyak bangsa dan agama yg sama sekali tidak pernah menyerang Islam. Contohnya: Bangsa Mesir Kopt yg akhirnya dipaksa masuk Islam dan pada abad ke-10 mereka sudah menjadi bngsa 'arab'. Melupakan budaya, agama dan bahasa slinya. Persia juga diserang dijajah dan dijadikan negara Islam, tapi bangsa Persia tetap bertahan dengan budaya dan bahasanya. Sejak revolusi Islam dan dg hadirnya alm. Ayathollah Khomenis negara ini bener2 hancur. Hancur ekonomi, hancur budaya tingginya dan hancur bangsanya. Lebih dari 60% asylum seekers yg membanjiri Australia dlm kurun waktu 2 tahun terakhir adalah orang Iran. Mereka ingin hidup di negara2 kafir termasuk Australia dan banyak yg mengatakan ingin masuk Kristen. Umat Baha'i juga diperlakukan dengan ganas oleh para mullah dan antek2 mereka. Indonesia dlm kurun waktu 15 tahun terakhir ini juga sudah dibanjiri duit dari Saudi Arabia. Duit ini dipakai untuk menjadikan Indonesia negara Islami sesuai dg faham Wahabi. Makanya dlm tahun2 terakhir ini antek2 Wahabimenggalkan peng-ISLAM-an a latWahabi di Nusantra. Muslim Indonesia dihasut, dicuci otaknya sehingga ingin lebih Arab dari orang Arab. Salah satu tindakan mereka ini ialah membatasi kebebasan beragama umatnon-Islam melalui intimidasi, perusakan gereja, pembakaran dan bahkan pembunuhan. Dampak negatif pengaruh Wahabiini ialah pelecehan terhadap harkat dan martabat kaum perempuan. Anehnya banyak perempuan Muslimah Indonesia yg semakin tertindas semakin menurut dan membela pra penindasnya - STICKHOLM SYNDROM! Terus terang saja orang yg punya otak, yg punya hati sanubari mulai mendusin bhw Islam itu sudah past due date. Sudah tidak pantas lagi untuk zaman ini. Dengan segala ajaran yg keji, yg ntolerant, yg menghina kaum perempuan.Yg terakhir ini akan mengurangi tidak saja martabat perempuan tapi juga mengurangiproduktivitas bangsa. Fatawa2 dungu - mbonceng tidak boleh mekangkang, test keprawananan dan sebagainya adalah cara keji untuk mengekang kebebasan dan produktivitas kaum perempuan. Ingat Saudi Arabia mulai mengurangi kekangan terhadap perempuan,misalnya (i) Mengijinkan perempuan naik sepeda (Ha, ha, ha!); (ii) Membolehkan perempuan keluar rumah tanpa ditemani oleh seorang muhrim, dan sedikit demi sedikit akan menyamai kebebasan perempuan Indoneisa. Tap banyak Musli yg adalah Arab wannabes justru ingin kembali ke zaman keemasan Islam yaitu abad ke-7 dengan segala ajaran keji, penuh tahayul dan bengis. Ayo kaum perempuan Indonesia bangunlah, bangkitlah ikuti teladan Kartini dan jangan ikut2 kedunguan Aishah dan bini2 nabi. Gabriella [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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