Mengingat bahwa sekarang ini ada dua versi al-Musahf yang beredar, yaitu versi Kairo yang juga beredar di Indonesia dan versi Magrib dan ditambah dengan perbedaan yang terlihat dari perkamen dan palimpsest yang ditemukan di Sanna, maka jelas al-Mushaf itu suka berubah-ubah isinya.
Dibalik itu, seperti dikatakan Puin, kita tidak punya bukti arkeologis bahwa musha usmani itu memang pernah ada. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadingrh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hehehe .. yg dijamin adalah keaslian al quran dari yg dibaca jaman > onta sampai si entot dungu mampu ngirim posting di kampung petar.. > > Robert Hoyland : > the historical memory of the Muslim community is more robust than some > have claimed. > > John Burton: > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > jadi tidak ada ruang lagi untuk memperebatkan lagi keotentikan al quran.. > bahwa quran jaman onta sama dengan jaman dimana orang dungu sudah bisa > ngepost email di kampung petar ... > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > Jadi Allah fiktif itu - tentu saja - tidak becus memenuhi janjinya > > untuk menjaga keutuhan al-Mushaf. > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > hehehe ... apa kamu ngerti apa yg kamu masalahkan ? > > > bukan cuman makna, tapi ayatnya tidak berubah ... hanya cara penulisan > > > > > > apa kamu menuntut agar pada waktu itu sudah ada eyd (ejaan yg > > > disempurnakan) ? > > > mungkin kamu tertarik jg mempermasalahkan 'entot tjahyadi' dengan > > > 'entot cahyadi' sbg orang yg berbeda ? .. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi, Allah fiktif yang digambarkan dungu, buas, kejam, ganas dan > > > > biadab oleh al-Mushaf itu tidak bisa - tentu saja - memenuhi > janjinya > > > > untuk menjaga am-Musahf itu. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > sebuah gaya tulisan atau spelling means nothing karena tidak > merubah > > > > > makna samasekali > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Omongan Puin ini jelas bilang: ada bedanya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan omongan ini diperjelas dari kutipan yang lain.. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadingrh" <hadingrh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bang puin bilang: > > > > > > > "The important thing, thank God, is that these Yemeni Qur'anic > > > > > > > fragments do not differ from those found in museums and > > libraries > > > > > > > elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the > > > > Qur'an > > > > > > > itself, but are rather differences in the way words are > spelled. > > > > This > > > > > > > phenomenon is well-known, even in the Qur'an published in > > Cairo in > > > > > > > which is written: > > > > > > > Ibrhim next to Ibrhm, Quran next to Qrn, Simahum next to > Simhum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Burton: > > > > > > > What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jadi kesimpulannya, quran itu sudah solid.. tidak terbantahkan > > > bahwa > > > > > > > itu benar2 kalam Ilahi.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jadi tidak ada ruang lagi untuk memperebatkan lagi > > keotentikan al > > > > > > quran.. > > > > > > > bahwa quran jaman onta sama dengan jaman dimana orang dungu > > > > sudah bisa > > > > > > > ngepost email di kampung petar ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > berikut komentar dari para ilmuwan lainnya: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Moore > > > > > > > Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian > Association of > > > > > > > Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical > > > > Anatomists. He > > > > > > > was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists > with the > > > > > > > prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the > > > Honoured > > > > > > > Member Award of the American Association of Clinical > Anatomists > > > > "for > > > > > > > outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology > > > > Committee > > > > > > > of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping > > > > them to > > > > > > > interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah > > > referring to > > > > > > > human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was > > > > astonished > > > > > > > by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in > the 7th > > > > > > > century AD, before the science of embryology was established. > > > > Although > > > > > > > I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in > > > the 10th > > > > > > > century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I > knew > > > > > > > nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the > > > > Qur'an > > > > > > > and Sunnah."[2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and > > stated: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify > statements > > > > in the > > > > > > > Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these > > > > > > > statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, > > > > because most > > > > > > > of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries > later. > > > > This > > > > > > > proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of > God, or > > > > > > > Allah." [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor Moore also stated that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing > > to the > > > > > > > continuous process of change during development, it is > proposed > > > > that a > > > > > > > new system of classification could be developed using the > terms > > > > > > > mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is > > simple, > > > > > > > comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the > last four > > > > years > > > > > > > have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is > > > amazing > > > > > > > since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the > > > descriptions > > > > > > > in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the > > > seventh > > > > > > > century..."[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E. Marshall Johnson > > > > > > > Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and > > > > Developmental > > > > > > > Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas > > > > Jefferson > > > > > > > University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. > > > > > > > Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the > > > Teratology > > > > > > > Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began > > > to take > > > > > > > an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th > > Saudi > > > > > > > Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was > > formed to > > > > > > > investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At > first, > > > > > > > Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such > > > verses in > > > > > > > the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh > > > Zindani he > > > > > > > took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal > > > > as well > > > > > > > as external development of the fetus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the > development of > > > > > > > external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the > > stages > > > > > > > inside the embryo, of its creation and development, > emphasising > > > > major > > > > > > > events recognised by contemporary science." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can > > > > specifically > > > > > > > see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. > > I can > > > > > > > understand the words that are translated to me from the > > > Qur'an. As I > > > > > > > gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself > into that > > > > era, > > > > > > > knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not > > > describe > > > > > > > the things that were described... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual > > > > Muhammad > > > > > > > had to be developing this information from some place... so > > I see > > > > > > > nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine > > > > intervention was > > > > > > > involved in what he was able to write..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Leigh Simpson > > > > > > > He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has > > > > received > > > > > > > many awards, including the Association of Professors of > > > > Obstetrics and > > > > > > > Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many > others, > > > > > > > Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered > > > that the > > > > > > > Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised > > > field of > > > > > > > study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he > > > > insisted on > > > > > > > verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and > Hadith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been > > > > obtained > > > > > > > on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available > > at the > > > > > > > time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no > > > > conflict > > > > > > > between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion > > > > (Islam) may > > > > > > > guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional > > > > > > > scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an > > > shown > > > > > > > centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the > > Qur'an > > > > > > > having been derived from God." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald C. Goeringer > > > > > > > Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A.Zindani met with Professor > Goeringer and > > > > asked > > > > > > > him whether in the history of embryology was there any mention > > > > of the > > > > > > > different stages of embryonic development, or whether there > > > existed > > > > > > > any embryological texts at the time of the Prophet. Sheikh > > Zindani > > > > > > > also asked his opinion regarding the terms the Qur'an uses to > > > > describe > > > > > > > the different phases of fetal development. After several long > > > > > > > discussions, he presented a study at the 8th Saudi Medical > > > > Conference: > > > > > > > "...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a > > > > rather > > > > > > > comprehensive description of human development from the > time of > > > > > > > commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such > > > > distinct and > > > > > > > complete record of human development such as classification, > > > > > > > terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if > > > not all > > > > > > > instances, this description antedates by many centuries the > > > > recording > > > > > > > of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development > > > > > > > recorded in the traditional scientific literature." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/ Yahoo! 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