Hehehe.... FPI itu yg ngoceh ngebakar rumah/mesjid itu adalah sunnah nabi lu, dan FPI itulah yg ngikutin sunnah nabi, bukan gua.
Jadi, ngapain lu nanya2 ke gua soal berapa rumah yg pernah gua bakar? Mendingan lu ngaku aja di milis ini, apa lu udah ngikutin sunnah nabi lu ngebakar rumah atau masjid. Kalo lu blm ngebakar, itu artinya lu bukan muslim yg baik dan hrsnya lu belajar ke FPI. Atau kalo lu mau belajar Islam ke gua jg boleh, krn gua ini kan al ustadz. Gua bisa ngasih konfirmasi bhw emang betul ngebakar mesjid.rumah itu adalah sunnah nabi lu. ________________________________ From: abas_amin08 <abas_ami...@yahoo.com> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:40:09 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning Aku kini lagi menghadapi anti Islam semacam elo, di internet; aku pun gak kenal mana yang oknum2 FPI; yang ada didepan ku sekarang ya elo. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > FPI itu apa bukannya sodara seiman lu yg hrs lu bela? Lu kan bisa nanya >langsung > > ke FPI, emangnya lu cuma hidup di internet doang? > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@...> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 11:14:02 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > Disini emang ada FPI ? > Yang ada kam cuman item abu > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Jangan bandingin gua dgn orang Islam yg ngejalanin sunnah nabi dgn ngebakar > > rumah atau tempat ibadah. > > > > Kenapa lu ga pernah nanya ke FPI misalnya berapa rumah atau tempat ibadah > > yg > > udah mereka bakar? Pasti FPI itu favorit lu kan. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 11:32:55 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > Jasiii ............ sudh berapa rumah yang kau bakar !? > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe.... yg nyuruh ngebakar rumah itu kan nabi lu. > > > > > > Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626: > > > Narrated Abu Huraira: > > > >The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the > >Fajr > > > > > > > >and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these > > > >prayers > > >at > > > > > > > >their respective times, they would certainly present themselves > > > >(in > >the > > > > > > > >mosques) even if they had to c awl."The Prophet added, "Certainly > > > >I > > > >decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama > > > >and > > > >order > > > > > > >a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all >those > > > > >who > > > > > > >had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their > > >houses." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jadi lu anggap ngebakar rumah itu adlaah perbuatan bejad? Kalo gitu, > > > >nabi >lu > > > > > >itu > > > > > > >bejad, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:00:34 AM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > ngebakar rumah orangpun buat kanu apa salahnya bukan ? > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin merkosa, > > > > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@> > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada kok yg > > > > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh kedaluwarsa, > > > > ketimbang menuhin lemari. > > > > > > > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga mahal. Satu Al > > > > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos siap pakai. > > > > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi kompos. > > > > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu komopos? Utk > > > > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, kecuali kamu ikut > > > > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, KATEBE, hampir > > > > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di stok either > > > > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa. > > > > > > > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. Sekalian mainan > > > > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga bahagia? > > > > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya dibakar, > > > > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan tetangga > > > > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an? > > > > > > > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. Biasanya yg > > > > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus. mBakarin Bibel? Wekekekek.., sayang. > > > > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik? > > > > > > > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an 'mangnya > > > > ajaran Yesus apa iblis? > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, itu cuma > > > > ngerusak > > > > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat dr pohon. > > > > > > > > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake kertasnya > > > > buat > > > > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran dibuang ke dlm > > > > tempat > > > > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos. > > > > > > > > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\ > > > > mccarthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More On Koran Burning > > > > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M. > > > > > By Andrew C. McCarthy > > > > > Jonah, my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it is > > > > > counterproductive. I hear what >>youÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢re >e saying about > > > > > >decency. But > > > > on that score, > > > > > I >donÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢t > find the burning any more > > >offensive in principle > > > > >than I > > > > do its opposite > > > > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the Koran is handled > > > > by the > > > > > Defense Department. > > > > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to each of the > > > > terrorists > > > > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without reason) to > > > > command them to > > > > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore our precious > > > > sensitivity to > > > > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be handled only > > > > by Muslim > > > > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not possible for > > > > various > > > > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our non-Muslim troops must > > > > handle or > > > > > transport the book, he must wear white gloves, and he is further > > > > instructed > > > > > primarily to use the right hand (indulging Muslim > > >>cultureÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > > > > taboo about the > > > > > sinister left hand). The book is to be conveyed to the prisoners in a > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"reverent > > > > > >mannerÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½ > >inside a > > >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"clean dry > > > > >>towel.ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½ > This is a > > > > nod to Islamic teaching that > > > > > infidels are so low a form of life that they should not be touched > > > > (as > > > > > Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, non-Muslims are > >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"considered > > > > >in > > > > the same > > > > > category as urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, > > > > alcoholic > > > > > >liquors,ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½ > and > > >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"the sweat of an >animal who > > > > > >persistently > > > > eats [unclean >things].ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½ > > > > > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, implicitly > > > > endorsing as it > > > > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads to terrorism. > > > > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense Department > > > > now piously > > > > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense Department that itself > > > > did not > > > > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in > > > > Afghanistan. > > > > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in deference to > > > > sharia > > > > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than Islam. And > > > > as > > > > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not the only one > > > > destroying > > > > > bibles. Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, are torched > > > > or > > > > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day as a matter > > > > of > > > > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on Saudi > > > > government > > > > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing bibles, > > > > crucifixes, > > > > > Stars of David, etc., into the country >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" and, of > > >course, not > > > > just non-Muslim > > > > > accessories but non-Muslim people are barred from entering Mecca and > > > > most of > > > > > Medina, based on the classical interpretation of an injunction found > > > > in what > > > > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy >>QurÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢an >n (sura 9:28: > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"Truly the >pagans are > > > > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred > > > > >mosqueÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½). > > > > > > I >donÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢t > like book burning either, > > >but I think there are > > > > different kinds of book > > > > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" > > >the attempt > > > > > > to purge the > > > > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the sentiments > > > > expressed never > > > > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge University > > >>PressÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > > > > shameful pulping > > > > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see >>StanleyÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s >s 2007 > > > > > >post > > > > on that). The > > > > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation. > > >>ThatÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > > > > what I think > > > > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he >>doesnÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢t >t have the > > > > > >ability to > > > > purge the Koran > > > > > from the world, and he >wasnÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢t > trying > > >to. He was trying > > > > to > > > > condemn some of the > > > > > ideas that are in it > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" >or maybe he really thinks > > >the whole > > > > thing is > > > > > condemnable. > > > > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express disdain, > > > > but I >donÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢t > > > > > > know that it is much different in principle from orally condemning > > > > some of the > > > > > >KoranÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > suras and verses. Sura 9 of > > >the Koran, for > > > > >example, > > > > states the > > > > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to kill and conquer > > > > non-Muslims > > > > > (e.g., 9:5: >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"But when the >forbidden months > > >are past, then > > > > fight and slay the > > > > > pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie > > > > in wait > > > > > for them in every stratagem (of war) . . > >.ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½; >9:29: > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…"Fight those >who believe not > > > > > in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden which hath been > > > > forbidden by > > > > > Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from > > > > among the > > > > > people of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until they pay > > > > the jizya > > > > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis under the > > > > protection > > > > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel themselves > > > > >subduedÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¯Â¿Â½). > I > > > > > must say, >IÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢ve > got a much bigger > > >problem with the people > > > > trying to comply with > > > > > those commands than with the guy who burns them. > > > > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the gratuitous insult > > > > to all > > > > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the violent > > > > jihadist or > > > > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They have found > > > > some way to > > > > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures >ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" and if it > > >works for > > > > them, who the hell > > > > > am I to say >theyÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢re > wrong? They are > > >our natural allies in > > > > >this > > > > battle, and as > > > > > >IÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢ve > often pointed out, without > > >their help, we could not > > > > >have > > > > done things like > > > > > infiltrate the Blind >SheikhÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > >terror cell, gather vital > > > > intelligence, thwart > > > > > terrorist attacks, and refine trial evidence into compelling proof. > > > > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of their > > > > scriptures. When > > > > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale > > > > condemnation, > > > > > the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible. > > > > Freedom of > > > > > speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and > > > > >IÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢m > not > > > > > entirely sure >itÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > wrong. But good > > >Muslim people give us > > > > reason to hope that > > > > > what ails Islam can be reformed. I >>donÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢t >t see the upside > > > > > >in > > > > alienating those > > > > > people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran > > > > without > > > > > condemning everything. But >thatÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > >just my opinion, and > > > > >Mr. > > > > Jones is as entitled > > > > > to his as I am to mine. And for what >>itÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s >s worth, I doubt > > > > > >my > > > > opinion would be > > > > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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