Abbas Amien bangsat penipu dan bajiangan tukang fitnah.. Dia fitnah isi buku Dawkins adalah "makian2 yang gak jelas; tapi sangat kasar", pada hal tulisna Dawkins adalah tulisan ilmiah .
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@...> wrote: > > Bagus sekali tulisanmu jusfiak; kau mestinya sangat bersyukur pada orang2 > Islam; karena dengan adanya mereka kau bisa menyalurkan hasil baca2 dawkins > dll untuk kamu praktekkam. Dan prakteknya adalah makian2 yang gak jelas; tapi > sangat kasar.itulah hasil didikan dawkins. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > Usaha yang sia-sia ,Abbas Amien.. > > > > Orang kafir seperti "great pretender" dan "sebuah kenyataan" sudah > > membuktikan secara telak bahwa buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang anda jadikan > > kitab suci itu TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah. > > > > Dengan kata lain ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang anda anut itu hanya > > berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitif yang berdusta > > bilang kitab taik anjing al-Mushaf itu berisi wahyu Allah yang nota bene > > tidak berbukti ada. > > > > Anda yang dungu kayak b abi dan punya akses ke interhet buat nyari > > informasi itu selama ini telah jadi korban kibulan dan omong kosong orang > > Arab primitif itu. > > > > Dan item abu hanya berusaha menolong anda untuk menyikapi buku taik anjing > > al-Mushaf itu sedara kritis. > > > > Anda mestinya berterima kasih kepada item abu. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "abas_amin08" <abas_amin08@> wrote: > > > > > > Aku kini lagi menghadapi anti Islam semacam elo, di internet; > > > aku pun gak kenal mana yang oknum2 FPI; yang ada didepan ku sekarang ya > > > elo. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > FPI itu apa bukannya sodara seiman lu yg hrs lu bela? Lu kan bisa nanya > > > > langsung > > > > ke FPI, emangnya lu cuma hidup di internet doang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 11:14:02 AM > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > Disini emang ada FPI ? > > > > Yang ada kam cuman item abu > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jangan bandingin gua dgn orang Islam yg ngejalanin sunnah nabi dgn > > > > > ngebakar > > > > > rumah atau tempat ibadah. > > > > > > > > > > Kenapa lu ga pernah nanya ke FPI misalnya berapa rumah atau tempat > > > > > ibadah yg > > > > > udah mereka bakar? Pasti FPI itu favorit lu kan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 11:32:55 AM > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasiii ............ sudh berapa rumah yang kau bakar !? > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... yg nyuruh ngebakar rumah itu kan nabi lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626: > > > > > > Narrated Abu Huraira: > > > > > > >The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the > > > > > > > > > > > >Fajr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these > > > > > > >prayers > > > > >at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >their respective times, they would certainly present > > > > > > >themselves (in > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mosques) even if they had to c awl."The Prophet added, > > > > > > >"Certainly I > > > > > > >decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce > > > > > > >Iqama and > > > > > >order > > > > > > > > > > > > >a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn > > > > > > >all those > > > > > > > > > >who > > > > > > > > > > > > >had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with > > > > > > >their > > > > > >houses." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jadi lu anggap ngebakar rumah itu adlaah perbuatan bejad? Kalo > > > > > > >gitu, nabi lu > > > > > > > > > > >itu > > > > > > > > > > > > >bejad, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:00:34 AM > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ngebakar rumah orangpun buat kanu apa salahnya bukan ? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin > > > > > > > merkosa, > > > > > > > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@> > > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada kok > > > > > > > yg > > > > > > > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh kedaluwarsa, > > > > > > > ketimbang menuhin lemari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga mahal. > > > > > > > Satu Al > > > > > > > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos siap > > > > > > > pakai. > > > > > > > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi > > > > > > > kompos. > > > > > > > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu > > > > > > > komopos? Utk > > > > > > > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, kecuali > > > > > > > kamu ikut > > > > > > > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, KATEBE, > > > > > > > hampir > > > > > > > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di stok > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. Sekalian > > > > > > > mainan > > > > > > > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga > > > > > > > bahagia? > > > > > > > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya dibakar, > > > > > > > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan tetangga > > > > > > > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. Biasanya > > > > > > > yg > > > > > > > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus. mBakarin Bibel? Wekekekek.., > > > > > > > sayang. > > > > > > > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an > > > > > > > 'mangnya > > > > > > > ajaran Yesus apa iblis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, itu > > > > > > > > cuma > > > > > > > ngerusak > > > > > > > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat dr > > > > > > > > pohon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake > > > > > > > > kertasnya > > > > > > > buat > > > > > > > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran dibuang > > > > > > > > ke dlm > > > > > > > tempat > > > > > > > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\ > > > > > > > mccarthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M. > > > > > > > > By Andrew C. McCarthy > > > > > > > > Jonah, my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it is > > > > > > > > counterproductive. I hear what > > > > >youÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââre > > > > > saying about > > > > > > > > > > >decency. But > > > > > > > on that score, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > donÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãâât > > > > > > > > find the burning any more > > > > >offensive in principle > > > > > > > > > > >than I > > > > > > > do its opposite > > > > > > > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the Koran is > > > > > > > > handled > > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > > Defense Department. > > > > > > > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to each > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > terrorists > > > > > > > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without reason) to > > > > > > > command them to > > > > > > > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore our precious > > > > > > > sensitivity to > > > > > > > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be > > > > > > > > handled only > > > > > > > by Muslim > > > > > > > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not possible for > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our non-Muslim troops > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > handle or > > > > > > > > transport the book, he must wear white gloves, and he is > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > instructed > > > > > > > > primarily to use the right hand (indulging Muslim > > > > > >cultureÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > taboo about the > > > > > > > > sinister left hand). The book is to be conveyed to the > > > > > > > > prisoners in a > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"reverent > > > > > > > > mannerÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý > > > > > > > > inside a > > > > >ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"clean dry > > > > > > > > > > >towel.ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý > > > > > > This is a > > > > > > > nod to Islamic teaching that > > > > > > > > infidels are so low a form of life that they should not be > > > > > > > > touched > > > > > > > (as > > > > > > > > Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, non-Muslims are > > > > >ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"considered > > > > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > category as urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, > > > > > > > > pigs, > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > liquors,ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý > > > > > > > > and > > > > >ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"the sweat > > > > >of an animal who > > > > > > > > > > >persistently > > > > > > > eats [unclean > > > > > > > things].ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý > > > > > > > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, implicitly > > > > > > > endorsing as it > > > > > > > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads to > > > > > > > > terrorism. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense > > > > > > > > Department > > > > > > > now piously > > > > > > > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense Department that > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > did not > > > > > > > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in > > > > > > > Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in > > > > > > > > deference to > > > > > > > sharia > > > > > > > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than > > > > > > > > Islam. And > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not the > > > > > > > > only one > > > > > > > destroying > > > > > > > > bibles. Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, are > > > > > > > > torched > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day as a > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on Saudi > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing > > > > > > > > bibles, > > > > > > > crucifixes, > > > > > > > > Stars of David, etc., into the country > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" and, of > > > > >course, not > > > > > > > just non-Muslim > > > > > > > > accessories but non-Muslim people are barred from entering > > > > > > > > Mecca and > > > > > > > most of > > > > > > > > Medina, based on the classical interpretation of an injunction > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > in what > > > > > > > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy > > > > >QurÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââan > > > > > (sura 9:28: > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"Truly > > > > > > > the pagans are > > > > > > > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred > > > > > > > mosqueÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý). > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > donÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãâât > > > > > > > > like book burning either, > > > > >but I think there are > > > > > > > different kinds of book > > > > > > > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" > > > > >the attempt > > > > > > > > > > > > to purge the > > > > > > > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the sentiments > > > > > > > expressed never > > > > > > > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge University > > > > > >PressÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > shameful pulping > > > > > > > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see > > > > >StanleyÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > 2007 > > > > > > > > > > >post > > > > > > > on that). The > > > > > > > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation. > > > > > >ThatÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > what I think > > > > > > > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he > > > > >doesnÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãâât > > > > > have the > > > > > > > > > > >ability to > > > > > > > purge the Koran > > > > > > > > from the world, and he > > > > > > > > wasnÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãâât > > > > > > > > trying > > > > >to. He was trying > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > condemn some of the > > > > > > > > ideas that are in it > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" or maybe he > > > > > > > > really thinks > > > > >the whole > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > condemnable. > > > > > > > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express > > > > > > > > disdain, > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > donÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãâât > > > > > > > > know that it is much different in principle from orally > > > > > > > > condemning > > > > > > > some of the > > > > > > > > KoranÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > > suras and verses. Sura 9 of > > > > >the Koran, for > > > > > > > > > > >example, > > > > > > > states the > > > > > > > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to kill and conquer > > > > > > > non-Muslims > > > > > > > > (e.g., 9:5: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"But > > > > > > > > when the forbidden months > > > > >are past, then > > > > > > > fight and slay the > > > > > > > > pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, > > > > > > > > and lie > > > > > > > in wait > > > > > > > > for them in every stratagem (of war) . . > > > > >.ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý; > > > > > 9:29: > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦"Fight > > > > > > > those who believe not > > > > > > > > in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden which hath been > > > > > > > forbidden by > > > > > > > > Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of > > > > > > > > Truth, from > > > > > > > among the > > > > > > > > people of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until they > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > the jizya > > > > > > > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis > > > > > > > > under the > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel > > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > subduedÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ïÃâÿÃâý). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > must say, > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââve > > > > > > > > got a much bigger > > > > >problem with the people > > > > > > > trying to comply with > > > > > > > > those commands than with the guy who burns them. > > > > > > > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the gratuitous > > > > > > > > insult > > > > > > > to all > > > > > > > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the > > > > > > > > violent > > > > > > > jihadist or > > > > > > > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > some way to > > > > > > > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" and if it > > > > >works for > > > > > > > them, who the hell > > > > > > > > am I to say > > > > > > > > theyÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââre > > > > > > > > wrong? They are > > > > >our natural allies in > > > > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > battle, and as > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââve > > > > > > > > often pointed out, without > > > > >their help, we could not > > > > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > done things like > > > > > > > > infiltrate the Blind > > > > > > > > SheikhÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > > > > > > >terror cell, gather vital > > > > > > > intelligence, thwart > > > > > > > > terrorist attacks, and refine trial evidence into compelling > > > > > > > > proof. > > > > > > > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of their > > > > > > > scriptures. When > > > > > > > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale > > > > > > > condemnation, > > > > > > > > the message to them is that their belief system is > > > > > > > > incorrigible. > > > > > > > Freedom of > > > > > > > > speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > IÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââm > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > entirely sure > > > > > > > > itÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > > wrong. But good > > > > >Muslim people give us > > > > > > > reason to hope that > > > > > > > > what ails Islam can be reformed. I > > > > >donÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãâât > > > > > see the upside > > > > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > alienating those > > > > > > > > people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the > > > > > > > > Koran > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > condemning everything. But > > > > > > > > thatÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > > > > > > > > >just my opinion, and > > > > > > > > > > >Mr. > > > > > > > Jones is as entitled > > > > > > > > to his as I am to mine. And for what > > > > >itÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¾Ãââs > > > > > worth, I doubt > > > > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > opinion would be > > > > > > > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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