elu kan bego, tem. elu bahasa inggris aja kagak ngerti, tapi sok tafsir pake bahasa inggris. mosok elu terjemahin 'air disedot ke hidung lalu ditiup?' ini kan udah jelas elu bego dan pamer ketololan mulu.
gw kalo ngomong ama orang idiot kayak elu, jusfiq, sama aja kayak ngomong ama kacung. elu berdua level kecerdasannya sedikit dibawah kacung gw. paling nggak kacung gw masih lebih cerdas diki karena masih bisa dibilangin, nggak kayak elu berdua yang pala batu. abis, elu berdua homo sih. hehehe.... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Betul ga yg gua bilang, orang Islam itu kalo bukannya kabur mencawat ekor ga > berani ngejawab, ya cuma bisa kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut begitu gua > keluarin ayat/tafsir/hadis. > > Emang ga ada yg bisa ngelawan al ustadz, hehehe... > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: rezameutia <rezameutia@...> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:55 PM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > > > > > > >lagak lu sok copas dari bahasa inggris, padahal elu nggak ngerti bahasa > >inggris. kalo diladenin ngomong lu bukannya mikir palingan kaing2 teriak > >kayak homo sialan yang kontolnya kejepit pantatnya jusfiq. > > > >hehehe... > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "itemabu" <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Hehehe.... asal gua ngeluarin ayat Quran dgn tafsir atau hadis pendukung, > >> orang Islam semua akan ngacir terkencing2 ngecawat ekor, ga berani > >> ngejawab, paling2 cuma kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. > >> > >> > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Gua kasih 4 buah tafsir ayat > >> > 65:4 ditambah keterangan Maududi yg bilang terang2an bhw anak ingusan yg > >> > blm > >> > mens itu halal diembat oleh orang soleh dan bertaqwa, hehehe... > >> > Yg jadi masalah itu kan adalah > >> > ketololan orang2 Islam yg ga becus bhs Inggris dan jg mungkin ga kenal > >> > siapa > >> > itu Maududi misalnya. Orang2 Islam dungu ini mungkin kenalnya cuma > >> > tukang tipu > >> > kayak si Jeffry al Bukhori atau Abdullah Gymnastiar, atau bahkan cuma > >> > tau Tukul > >> > Arwana. > >> > à> >> > Tafsir Ibn Kathir > >> > Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. > >> > And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. > >> > Her > >> > `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who > >> > menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. > >> > ï´¿see 2:228ï´¾ THE SAME FOR THE YOUNG, WHO > >> > HAVE NOT REACHED THE YEARS OF MENSTRUATION. Their `Iddah is three months > >> > like those in > >> > menopause. This is the meaning of His saying; > >> > (and for those who have no courses...) as for His saying; > >> > à(if you have doubt...) There are two > >> > opinions: First, is the saying of a group of the Salaf, like Mujahid, > >> > Az-Zuhri > >> > and Ibn Zayd. That is, if they see blood and there is doubt if it was > >> > menstrual > >> > blood or not. The second, is that if you do not know the ruling in this > >> > case, > >> > then know that their `Iddah is three months. This has been reported from > >> > Sa`id > >> > bin Jubayr and it is the view preferred by Ibn Jarir. And this is the > >> > more > >> > obvious meaning. Supporting this view is what is reported from Ubay bin > >> > Ka`b > >> > that he said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were not mentioned in the > >> > Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' Allah the Exalted and Most > >> > Honored sent down this Ayah, > >> > à(Those in menopause among your women, > >> > for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those > >> > who have > >> > no courses. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they > >> > lay down > >> > their burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one > >> > from > >> > Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat > >> > Al-Baqarah > >> > was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in > >> > Al-Madinah said, > >> > `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been mentioned in the > >> > Qur'an. > >> > There are THE YOUNG, the old whose menstruation is discontinued, and the > >> > pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah was revealed, > >> > à(Those in menopause among your women, > >> > for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those > >> > who have > >> > no courses.)'' > >> > à> >> > Tafsir al-Jalalayn > >> > And [as for] those of your women > >> > who (read allÃ�ââ¬â¢Ã« or allÃ�ââ¬â¢i in both instances) > >> > no longer expect to menstruate, > >> > if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed > >> > [waiting] > >> > period shall be three months, and [also for] THOSE WHO HAVE > >> > NOT YET MENSTRUATED, BECAUSE OF THEIR YOUNG AGE, > >> > their period shall [also] be three months ââ¬" both cases apply to > >> > other than > >> > those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is > >> > prescribed in > >> > the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] > >> > [Q. > >> > 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their > >> > prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, > >> > shall be > >> > when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for > >> > him, in > >> > this world and in the Hereafter. > >> > à> >> > Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ââ¬ËAbbâs > >> > (And for such of your women as > >> > despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their > >> > waiting > >> > period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which > >> > another > >> > man asked: ââ¬Å"O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period OF > >> > THOSE WHO DO > >> > NOT HAVE MENSTRUATION BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO YOUNG?ââ¬ï¿½ (ALONG WITH > >> > THOSE WHO HAVE > >> > IT NOT) BECAUSE OF YOUNG AGE, their waiting period is three months. > >> > Another man > >> > asked: ââ¬Å"what is the waiting period for those women who are > >> > pregnant?ââ¬ï¿½ (And for > >> > those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their > >> > waiting > >> > period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And > >> > whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding > >> > what he > >> > commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter > >> > easy; and > >> > it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. > >> > à> >> > Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi > >> > (And for such of your > >> > women as despair of menstruationââ¬Â¦) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: > >> > ââ¬Å"When the verse (Women > >> > who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apartââ¬Â¦), Kallad > >> > ibn al-Nuââ¬Ëman > >> > ibn Qays al-Ansari said: ââ¬ËO Messenger of Allah, what is the > >> > waiting period of > >> > the woman who does not menstruate and THE WOMAN WHO HAS NOT MENSTRUATED > >> > YET? > >> > And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?ââ¬â¢ And so > >> > Allah, exalted is > >> > He, revealed this verseââ¬ï¿½. Abu Ishaq al-Muqriââ¬â¢ informed us> > >> > Muhammad ibn ââ¬ËAbd > >> > Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ââ¬ËAbdan> Abuââ¬â¢l-Azhar> Asbat ibn > >> > Muhammad> > >> > Mutarrif> Abu ââ¬ËUthman ââ¬ËAmr ibn Salim who said: ââ¬Å"When > >> > the waiting period for > >> > divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn > >> > Kaââ¬Ëb > >> > said: ââ¬ËO Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: > >> > there are other > >> > women who have not been mentioned!ââ¬â¢ He asked him: ââ¬ËAnd who > >> > are they?ââ¬â¢ He said: > >> > ââ¬ËTHOSE WHO ARE TOO YOUNG [SUCH THAT THEY HAVE NOT STARTED > >> > MENSTRUATING YET], those > >> > who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are > >> > pregnantââ¬â¢. > >> > And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of > >> > menstruationââ¬Â¦) was > >> > revealedââ¬ï¿½. > >> > à> >> > à> >> > Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning of the > >> > Qur'an > >> > 13They may not have menstruated as > >> > yet either BECAUSE OF YOUNG AGE, or delayed menstrual discharge as it > >> > happens > >> > in the case of some women, or because of no discharge at all throughout > >> > life > >> > which, though rare, may also be the case. In any case, the > >> > waiting-period of > >> > such a woman is the same as of the woman, who has stopped menstruation, > >> > that is > >> > three months from the time divorce was pronounced. > >> > Here, one should bear in > >> > mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Qur'an the > >> > question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom > >> > marriage may have been consummated, FOR THERE IS NO WAITING-PERIOD IN > >> > CASE > >> > DIVORCE IS PRONOUNCED BEFORE THE CONSUMMATION OF MARRIAGE. (AL-AHZAB: > >> > 49). Therefore, > >> > MAKING MENTION OF THE WAITING-PERIOD FOR THE GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT YET > >> > MENSTRUATED, CLEARLY PROVES THAT IT IS NOT ONLY PERMISSIBLE TO GIVE AWAY > >> > THE > >> > GIRL IN MARRIAGE AT THIS AGE BUT IT IS ALSO PERMISSIBLE FOR THE HUSBAND > >> > TO > >> > CONSUMMATE MARRIAGE WITH HER. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to > >> > forbid > >> > a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible. > >> > The girl who is divorced > >> > in the state when she has not yet menstruated and then she starts having > >> > the > >> > menses during the waiting-period, will reckon her waiting-period from > >> > the same > >> > menstruation and her waiting-period will be reckoned just like the woman > >> > who > >> > menstruates regularly.à> >> > à> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >________________________________ > >> > >From: item abu <itemabu@> > >> > >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > >> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM > >> > >Subject: [proletar] Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >à> >> > >The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married > >> > >ââ¬ËAaââ¬â¢ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) when she was six > >> > >years old and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years > >> > >old. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4840) and Muslim (1422). > >> > > > >> > >Ulama Saudi ngaku bhw nabi keparatnya itu ngembat anak ingusan 9 thn, > >> > >dan ga ada batasan umur unt ngembat anak ingusan, asal si anak itu udah > >> > >bisa diembat, tentunya yg dimaksud adalah kontol orang Islam bisa > >> > >masuk. Jadi nabi Islam itu kepaksa nunggu sampe Aisha 9 thn baru > >> > >diembat, biarpun si Aisha udah jadi bininya di usia 6 thn. Tp si Aisha > >> > >bisa jg koq dipake buat ngejepit kontol nabi sambil ngelus2 kontol nabi. > >> > > > >> > >Masalahnya, apa orang Islam bisa baca tulisan dlm bhs Inggris ini? > >> > > > >> > >http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/146882 > >> > > > >> > >Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > >> > >146882 > >> > >Fiqh of the family û Conditions of Marriage > >> > >Fiqh of the family û Rulings on Marriage > >> > > > >> > >Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > >> > >ar - en > >> > > > >> > >Share | I would like to know whether there is a > >> > >set age for marriage in Islam for men and women? I hope you can explain > >> > >with reference to the Qurââ¬â¢aan and saheeh hadeeths. > >> > > > >> > >Praise be to Allaah. > >> > >Firstly:à> >> > >Islam does not give a specific age for marriage, either for the > >> > >husband or for the wife. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation > >> > > of the meaning): > >> > >ââ¬Å"And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye > >> > >doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with > >> > >those who have it notââ¬ï¿½ > >> > >[al-Talaaq 65:4].à> >> > >Al-Saââ¬Ëdi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: ââ¬Å"along with > >> > >those who have it [menses] notââ¬ï¿½ means minors, those who have > >> > >not yet started to menstruate. Adult women who have never menstruated > >> > >at all are like those who ââ¬Å"despair of menstruationââ¬ï¿½ > >> > >(i.e., have passed menopause); their ââ¬Ëiddah is three months. End > >> > >quote.à> >> > >Tafseer al-Saââ¬Ëdi, p. 870à> >> > >The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married > >> > >ââ¬ËAaââ¬â¢ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) when she was six > >> > >years old and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years > >> > >old. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4840) and Muslim (1422).à> >> > >Ibn Qudaamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Kabeer, > >> > >7/386:à> >> > >With regard to females, the father may give his minor, virgin daughter > >> > >who has not yet reached the age of nine in marriage, and there is no > >> > >difference of opinion concerning that, if he gives her in marriage to > >> > >someone who is compatible. Ibn al-Mundhir said: All of those scholars > >> > >from whom we acquired knowledge unanimously agreed that it is > >> > >permissible for a father to give his minor daughter in marriage if he > >> > >arranges her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for > >> > >him to do that even if she is reluctant. End quote.à> >> > >Secondly:à> >> > >No one may give a minor daughter in marriage except her father > >> > >according to the view of Maalik and Ahmad. This was also the view of > >> > >al-Shaafaââ¬Ëi, but he regarded the grandfather as being like the > >> > >father in that regard. Abu Haneefah said ââ¬" and it was also > >> > >narrated from Ahmad ââ¬" that it is permissible for a guardian other > >> > >than the father to give (the minor girl) in marriage, but the more > >> > >correct view is the former one. > >> > >See: al-Mughni, 7/33à> >> > >Thirdly:à> >> > >The father should not give a minor daughter in marriage except in a > >> > >case where he thinks it is in her best interests. Just as he may only > >> > >dispose of her wealth in that which is in her best interests, the same > >> > >applies with regard to arranging her marriage. Islam only permits that > >> > >to the Muslim father who is pious and pays proper attention to the > >> > >best interests of his children, and who understands very well that he > >> > >is a shepherd and that he is responsible for his flock.à> >> > >Ibn Wahb narrated that Maalik said, with regard to a man arranging a > >> > >marriage for an orphan girl under his care: If he thinks that (the > >> > >husband) is a man of virtue, righteousness and wisdom, it is > >> > >permissible for him to do that.à> >> > >Ahkaam al-Qurââ¬â¢aan by al-Jassaas, 2/342à> >> > >Fourthly:à> >> > >A man should not consummate marriage with his young bride until she is > >> > >physically able to bear intercourse. This varies from one time, place > >> > >and environment to another.à> >> > >For more information please see the answers to questions no. 22442 and > >> > >127176.à> >> > >What young men and guardians of girls should do is hasten to arrange > >> > >marriages, so as to guard chastity and protect honour, and so as to > >> > >attain the great purposes for which Allah ordained marriage.à> >> > >And Allah knows best. > >> > > > >> > >Islam Q&A > >> > > > >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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