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Ya gak tem -----Original Message----- From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com> Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:15:57 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com<proletar@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Hard-Line Group Occupies Yasmin Church Sidewalk + Debate Over Indonesian Religion Bill Heats Up Hehehe.... orang2 Islam yg ngoceh anti kekerasan, toleransi dll itu sebetulnya emang cuma sekedar kaing2 aja koq, ga bener2 mau bertindak. >________________________________ >From: Roman Proteus <pt_kas...@yahoo.com> >To: Proletar <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:40 AM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Hard-Line Group Occupies Yasmin Church Sidewalk + >Debate Over Indonesian Religion Bill Heats Up > > > >Item juga rajin kaing kaing di proletar membahas selangkangan > >Itu pasti karena amalan surat 23 di kitab elo ya tem? > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com> >Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:04:11 >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com<proletar@yahoogroups.com> >Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [proletar] Hard-Line Group Occupies Yasmin Church Sidewalk + >Debate Over Indonesian Religion Bill Heats Up > >Dulu katanya GP Ansor mau melindungi gereja2, ternyata cuma sekedar kaing2 >aja. > > >Tp yg penting kan kaing2nya, makin keras makin baik. > > > > >>________________________________ >>From: Sunny <am...@tele2.se> >>To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:31 AM >>Subject: [proletar] Hard-Line Group Occupies Yasmin Church Sidewalk + Debate >>Over Indonesian Religion Bill Heats Up >> >> >> >>http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/hard-line-group-occupies-yasmin-church-sidewalk/472067 >> >> >>Hard-Line Group Occupies Yasmin Church Sidewalk >>Vento Saudale | October 17, 2011 >> >>Youth leaders and politicians in support of the controversy-plagued GKI >>Yasmin church in Bogor, which was obstructed again over the weekend. From 5 >>a.m. on Sunday, Oct. 3, 2011 police were on standby at the church, having >>roped off the sidewalk where worshipers had been forced to pray in recent >>weeks since the city sealed the building. (JG Photo) >> >>Bogor. Hundreds of men from a local Muslim hard-line group occupied the >>roadway in front of the GKI Yasmin church on Sunday, forcing congregation >>members to hold their service a kilometer away from their sealed building. >> >>The churchgoers have been staging prayers on the sidewalk outside their >>church for more than a year now, after the Bogor city government sealed off >>the building. However, on Sunday police had blocked access to the church by 7 >>a.m. >> >>“[The congregation members] were not permitted to come any closer for >>security reasons. We are afraid they will clash with members of Forkami,” >>said Bogor Police Chief Adj. Comr. Hilman, referring to the Indonesian Muslim >>Communication Forum. >> >>Since dawn on Sunday, some 200 Forkami members had been occupying the >>pavement in front of the GKI Yasmin where churchgoers usually staged their >>prayers. The men, dressed in white robes and skullcaps, shouted praises to >>Allah and were on the lookout for GKI congregation members. >> >>“We are grateful that no GKI Yasmin people dared to show their faces here,” >>Forkami chairman Ahmad Iman told his members in the oration. >> >>“We want this church building to be gone next week. If it still stands, then >>we will personally bring it down.” >> >>Bogor Mayor Diani Budiarto has stood in defiance of a Supreme Court order to >>reopen the church after the court ruled that its closure was illegal. >> >>The Ombudsman commission has also written to President Susilo Bambang >>Yudhoyono saying that Diani had violated the court order. >> >>“This is just a recommendation for the president and the legislature, so >>there is no problem for the Bogor city government [in not abiding by the >>ruling] because any institution has the right to issue such recommendations,” >>the mayor said. >> >>The Bogor administration initially issued a building permit for GKI Yasmin in >>2006, but it revoked it two years later, alleging that the church had >>falsified the signatures required by law to obtain it. >> >>Since the closure decision was annulled by the court in December, Diani >>issued another letter ordering the church to be relocated, saying that GKI >>Yasmin had been built on a street with an Islamic name. >> >>“The city government has been given the authority by the central government >>to resolve the dispute, so we did, by issuing a decision letter on March 11,” >>Diani said, adding that the surrounding neighborhood had been opposed to the >>church’s construction. >> >>“GKI is welcome to use the land provided by the city government on Jalan >>Siliwangi and all expenses will be compensated.” >> >>GKI Yasmin spokesman Bona Sigalingging said that by rejecting the court’s >>decision, the mayor was blatantly refusing to abide by the law. >> >>“We see that the central government has remained silent and showed no >>commitment in executing the Supreme Court decision and Ombudsman >>recommendation,” he said. “When can we pray in our legally built church?” >> >>The chairman of the Bogor Communion of Churches (BKGS), Henky Benaya, said >>the city government has discriminated against the construction of new >>churches as well. “We see that acquiring building permits for churches in >>Bogor is difficult and can take years,” he said. >> >>Henky added that the BKGS, as the representative of some 84 churches in >>Bogor, had never been consulted in the city’s decision to seal off or >>relocate the GKI Yasmin. >> >>“We just hope that the matter will be resolved soon, and we all are praying >>for it,” he said. >> >>+++++ >> >>www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/debate-over-indonesian-religion-bill-heats-up/473591 >> >> >>Debate Over Indonesian Religion Bill Heats Up >> >>Ulma Haryanto & Anita Rachman | October 24, 2011 >> >>Rahmat Rahmadijaya, an Ahmadiyah leader living in Jatibening, Bekasi, has >>been anxious for a few weeks now. >> >>At first he didn’t want to talk, but he later changed his mind. “If I speak >>out, maybe I can get people to support us, to pray for us,” he told the >>Jakarta Globe in a recent interview. >> >>He is anxious because of a decree signed by Bekasi’s acting mayor, Rahmat >>Effendi, that bans the Muslim minority group from conducting activities that >>may be interpreted as an effort to spread its beliefs. >> >>The ban went into effect on Oct. 13. Since then, Rahmat and other members of >>the Ahmadiyah community in his neighborhood have started holding Friday >>prayers under tight security from Bekasi Police. >> >>“Our second Friday prayers went relatively normally, about 60 people joined >>in,” said another resident, Abdul Rohim. >> >>“We don’t know about next week, though.” >> >>In Need of a Law? >> >>The fear appears to be justified. Several violent incidents have targeted >>Ahmadiyah communities throughout the country. >> >>One of the worst — an attack in February by a mob of at least a thousand on >>an Ahmadi group in Cikeusik that left three members of the sect dead — >>spurred a discussion over a long-delayed bill on religious harmony. >> >>At the time, the bill was presented by lawmakers as a long-term solution to >>the religious conflicts plaguing the country and to give a stronger legal >>basis to joint ministerial decrees that regulate religious matters in the >>country today. >> >>Last week, Coordinating Minister for People’s Welfare Agung Laksono, >>Religious Affairs Minister Suryadharma Ali and Home Affairs Minister Gamawan >>Fauzi reiterated their endorsement of the bill. >> >>“We need a regulation that contains both conflict prevention and solutions to >>the problems obstructing religious harmony,” Agung said. >> >>The current draft of the bill regulates various religious rights and >>obligations such as proselytizing, celebrating religious holidays, >>constructing places of worship, funerals and religious education. >> >>“The original version of the draft, written by the staff of the Religious >>Affairs Ministry, dated back to 2003,” said Ismail Hasani, a researcher at >>Setara Institute for Peace and Democracy. “The current draft is more or less >>the same.” >> >>The bill is part of the 2011 National Legislation Program (Prolegnas), or the >>list of priority bills for the year, but it has been delayed as the House of >>Representatives has turned its attention to other bills. >> >>Will It Help? >> >>Setara deputy chairman Bonar Tigor Naipospos, an advocate of pluralism, isn’t >>looking forward to the religious harmony bill being passed into law. >> >>He said it would only legitimize existing discriminatory regulations within >>the 1965 Anti-Blasphemy Law and a 2006 joint ministerial decree on places of >>worship, which has contributed to a number of conflicts. >> >>In Bogor, for instance, Mayor Diani Budiarto has used the ministerial decree >>to continue to defy a Supreme Court ruling ordering the reopening of the GKI >>Yasmin Church. >> >>The 2006 joint ministerial decree requires 60 signatures from local residents >>in support of the construction of a place of worship, but the mayor has >>claimed that GKI Yasmin forged the signatures. >> >>The tension in Bogor came to a head two weeks ago, when churchgoers and >>public order officers (Satpol PP) clashed in front of the sealed building. >> >>West Java Police are now investigating complaints filed by both camps against >>each other. A Satpol PP chief is accusing GKI Yasmin churchgoers of hitting >>him in the jaw and knocking him unconscious, while the church is countersuing >>Satpol PP for disrupting its service. >> >>Bonar said the bill would be unhelpful to the cause of the Ahmadiyah as well. >>“The spirit of the law that condemns their belief, the 1965 Anti-Blasphemy >>Law, is still incorporated in the bill,” he said. >> >>Fears and Worries >> >>Abdul Kadir Karding, chairman of House Commission VIII, which oversees social >>affairs, urged the public to think positively about what the lawmakers in the >>commission were doing. >> >>He said the House wanted to give protection to minorities. >> >>“For instance, when there is a non-Muslim person living in a Muslim >>community, he or she has the right to use the same public cemetery like the >>majority,” he said. “In the Cikeusik case, we want this future law to ensure >>that the guilty will get punished.” >> >>Activists were outraged that most of the 12 people convicted in the Cikeusik >>attack were sentenced to just six months in jail — the same sentence given to >>one of the Ahmadi victims convicted of violent assault and disobeying police >>officers who had ordered him and about a dozen other Ahmadis to evacuate >>ahead of the attack. >> >>Karding acknowledges that unless the bill is carefully constructed, it risks >>becoming a tool for “hard-line groups to limit freedom of religion.” >> >>Fajar Riza Ul Haq, executive director of the Maarif Institute, asked the >>House to be more open in the drafting and deliberation. >> >>He said it should learn from the recently passed Intelligence Law, when both >>the House and government ignored public criticism. >> >>One critical point, he said, was how the House would define “harmony” in the >>bill. “They should have drafted a religious freedom bill instead of this >>one.” >> >>Harmony vs Freedom >> >>Harmony, for instance, could be used to justify the recently issued Bekasi >>ban on the Ahmadiyah’s activities, which states the ban is needed to >>“preserve and maintain the stability of conduciveness and security, peace and >>order in Bekasi.” >> >>Bonar views the religious harmony bill as the “middle way” after the >>Constitutional Court rejected a judicial review of the 1965 Anti-Blasphemy >>Law. >> >>“Because even though the court rejected the request because the law itself is >>not unconstitutional, it stated in its ruling that a revision or an update of >>the law was needed,” Bonar said. >> >>“Principally, we can’t agree with the law since it reflects the fact that >>this government thinks religious harmony is something that should be >>engineered, rather than grow naturally.” >> >>If the government really wanted “harmony,” Fajar said it should start >>addressing the prevalence of hate speech. >> >>In Jatibening, just before the ban on the Ahmadiyah was issued, members of >>the notorious hard-line group Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) were in the area. >> >>“They came to Jatibening and intimidated people, telling us to shut down our >>mosque about three weeks ago,” Rahmat said. >> >>Additional reporting by Vento Saudale >>Related articles >> >>Hard-Line Group Occupies Yasmin Church Sidewalk 8:42am Oct 17, 2011 >> >>New Religion Law Will Help: Minister 11:00pm Oct 14, 2011 >> >>Anti-Terror Chief Calls For More Legal Authority 10:34am Oct 6, 2011 >> >>Dead Solo Suspect May Have Played Part in Cirebon Bombing: Source 12:28am Sep >>26, 2011 >> >>Update: Hospital Confirms 1 Dead, 28 injured in Solo Blast 12:19am Sep 26, >>2011 >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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