Nggak salah lagi dah.. "Roman Proteus" ini jelas udah nggak waras.
Dia bukannya membawa argumen untuk membantah apa yang saya katakan kalau dia pikir saya salah, atau merenungkan apa yang saya katakan kalau dia pikir apa yang saya katakan benar. Yang menyedihkan adalah bahwa rata-rata peserta yag beragma islam disini sama saja sedengnya dengan "Roman Proteus" ini. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@...> wrote: > > Eh > > Ada anjing tua menggonggong > > Kapan elo pindah ke ostrali Jing? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:22:10 > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky ( "Roman Proteus" yang nggak > waras..) > > > Inilah contoh cara berfikir orang berotak anjing.. > > Membaca posting orang yang hidup di Australia itu "Roman Proteus" bukannya > berusaha berfikir, atau mengajak orang Indonesia lain untuk berfikir > bagaimana caranya Indonesia yang dedel duwel itu bisa punya jaminan kesehatan > dan jaminan sosial yang bagus seperti di Australia itu. > > Nggak, berita itu dipakai "Roman Proteus" yang berotak anjing itu untuk > memamerkan kedangkalan pengetahuannnya dan fikiran busuknya sembari bilang > "kayanya bentar lagi si just pig, akan hijrah ke australia buat nyari > tunjangan gratis di sana" saya yang tidak perlu tunjangan karena saya > menikmati pensiun yang aduhai di negeri yang juga, seperti Australia, punya > jaminan kesehatan dan jaminan sosial yang aduhai. > > Yang menyedihkana adalah bahwa orang yang berotak babi seperti "Roman > Proteus" ini banyak di Indonesia.. Lihat aja di mailing list ini, ada berapa > peserta mailing list ini yang menghargai posting orang Indonesia yang hidup > di luar negeri dan bercerita apa yang baik dan bagus diluar Indonesia yang > mestinya dijadikan dorongan oleh orang Indonesia yang hidup di Indonesia buat > memikirkan jalan untuk memperbaiki apa yang perlu diperbaiki di Indonesia. > > Nggak, reaksi rata-rata orang Indonesia membaca posting seperti itu adalah > sejenis: "Ah di Indonesia juga sebagus itu kok..". > > Atau, seperti "Roman Proteus" ini, posting seperti itu dipakainya untuk > mempertontonkan isi otaknya yagn busuk.. > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@> wrote: > > > > Mendengar berita ini kayanya bentar lagi si just pig, akan hijrah ke > > australia buat nyari tunjangan gratis di sana > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:22:11 > > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky country comes at a cost. > > > > Berlainan dengan keadaan di AS di mana harga propertinya jatuh tajam, di > > Australia terjadi kebalikannya. Australia menerima ratusan ribu tenaga > > trampil tiap tahunnya yang telah terseleksi dengan baik dan sekarang yang > > banyak datang adalah orang-orang asal RRC dan India dengan sebelumnya > > berdasarkan statistik mayoritas yang datang adalah orang-orang asal > > Inggris. Mereka ini akan memerlukan tempat tinggal, sementara Pemerintah > > Australia tidak terlibat dalam pembangunan rumah baru. Dengan adanya > > 'negative gearing' maka orang banyak bisa terlibat dalam pengadaan > > rumah-rumah baru bahkan menjadi milyuner dengan dimilikinya sedemikian > > banyak rumah yang disewakan. > > > > Ada berita yang cukup menyesakan para pensiunan di mana para pengungsi asal > > manusia perahu ditampung dalam hotel-hotel mewah di Queensland dengan > > masing-masing orang masih menerima lagi uang saku sebesar A$ 400 per > > minggu. Berita semacam ini tentunya akan menyebabkan semakin banyaknya > > perahu-perahu pengungsi berdatangan. > > > > Ibu saya memegang kartu Medicare hingga segala biaya rumah sakit gratis. > > Beliau baru saja menyelesaikan 3 kali prosedur ERCP untuk mengambil > > batu-batu empedu dengan tanpa membayar sedikitpun juga. Yang mahal adalah > > biaya parkirnya yang A$ 19 setelah lewat 3 jam. Dengan adanya kartu konsesi > > Commonwealth Seniors Health Card, maka tiap resep dokter bisa ditebus > > dengan hanya membayar A$ 5,60 saja. Disamping itu dalam beberapa tahun lagi > > ibu saya sudah berhak untuk menerima santunan pensiun, padahal ibu saya > > sebelumnya tidak pernah membayar pajak di Australia. > > > > Bekas kolega saya yang lulusan IIT Roorkee menyatakan betapa beruntungnya > > tinggal di Australia yang aman dengan anak-aank bisa tumbuh dan berkembang > > secara optimal. Orang ini dulunya pernah bekerja pada Alcatel Jerman selama > > beberapa tahun. > > > > Dalam berbagai survai posisi Australia selalu menempati peringkat-peringkat > > terbaik, jadi tampaknya benar juga bahwa Australia is the lucky country. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Harry Adinegara <sans_culotte_30@> wrote: > > > > > > Living in the lucky country or......are we afterall spoilt? > > >  > > > Memang terasa saat ini apa2 ,kebutuhan se-hari2 naik, begitu juga yang > > > aku rasakan rumah yang kami beli 17 tahunan yang lalu > > > sekarang dipasaran melonjak 3X.Properti , rumah hunian disini arealnya > > > lebih gede ketimbang di Amerika. Wide open spaces... > > > memang aku rasakan ketimbang misalnya di Jerman (dimana aku pernah > > > tinggal), banyak taman2 luas yang teratur rapi dan bersih, > > > ini dapat ditemui disetiap kota diAustralia. > > >  Kenaikan keperluan hidup se-hari2 ini diakibatkan a.l.  karena > > > nilai tukar dollar Aussie lebih tinggi dibanding dengan US $. Saat ini > > > rate-nya 1Aus$= 1.03US$, selang beberapa waktu mencapai 1A$=1.10 US$. > > > Mungkin juga nilai tukar terhadap rupiah akan naik juga. > > > Ngak salah lah, aku sering katakan Australia bak.....heaven on earth. > > > Yang patut di banggakan yalah santunan terhadap kemaslahatan > > > rakyatnya bisa dikatakan tertinggi di dunia, social security no 1. > > > SDA Australia melimpah ruah, hasil export ini bernilai ber-billiun2 > > > dollar setahun-nya , semuanya kembali untuk merawat kemaslahatan-nya > > > rakyat banyak, > > > bukan di tilep oleh pemimpin2nya. Pikir2 bila dibanding dengan Indonesia > > > benua Australia itu bukan apa2-nya, SDA,SDM di Indonesia melimpah > > > ruah, tapi "berkat" mismanagement makanya  negara jadi deldel duwel, > > > yang kaya ...tambah kaya yang miskin ....makan sekali sehari sudah > > > dibilang mujur. > > >  > > > Harry Adinegara > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > Subject: Living in the Lucky country comes at a cost. > > > > > > Living in the Lucky Country comes at a cost > > > October 19, 2011, 4:23 pm By Michael Yardney Yahoo!7 > > > For me, there is no question that we are indeed a very lucky country â" > > > many would even suggest we are "spoilt". > > > * > > > Michael Yardney is a director of Metropole Property Strategists who > > > create wealth for their clients through independent, unbiased property > > > advice and advocacy. Michael has often been called Australia's leading > > > expert in wealth creation through property and his opinions have been > > > featured in major newspapers and magazines throughout Australia.Full Bio > > > » > > > Sydney and Melbourne both now have the dubious honour as two of the top > > > ten most expensive cities in which to live according to the Worldwide > > > Cost of Living 2011 Survey, conducted by the Economist Magazine's > > > Intelligence Unit (EIU.) > > > And while some media outlets are having a field day with the negative > > > implications such as the rising cost of living, more families struggling > > > financially, households increasingly experiencing mortgage stress and so > > > on; others are criticising the magazine suggesting the Economist > > > Intelligence Unit is an oxymoron and should be renamed. > > > I know I've often disagreed with some of their assessments of Australian > > > property, but I am happy to agree with a different report, their Global > > > Liveability Survey, which anointed Melbourne as the world's most liveable > > > city. > > > One the best thing about winning the top spot is that Sydney must be > > > envious only ranking 6th, with Perth and Adelaide ranking joint 8th and > > > Brisbane lagging the other Australian capitals ranking 21st. (More from > > > Michael Yardney: Where Are Property Prices Heading?) > > > What they were measuring > > > Back to being amongst the most expensive country to live in...firstly > > > lets understand what they were measuring. > > > To measure the cost of living the EIU looked at "point of sale" prices > > > for more than 160 everyday consumer items in 140 major cities around the > > > world, and then ranked each city according to its cost of living. > > > According to this study, Sydney and Melbourne ranked sixth and seventh as > > > the most expensive places to live, while Perth and Brisbane just failed > > > to make top ten status, coming in at 13th and 14th place. This is in > > > stark contrast to a decade ago, when Sydney and Melbourne were ranked as > > > the 71st and 80th most expensive cities, and Perth was in the 91st > > > position and Brisbane was 93rd. > > > Two major reasons > > > There are two major reasons why a city's cost-of-living index will change > > > over time: exchange rate movements and price movement. > > > The report explains that the remarkable rise in the cost of living in > > > Australian cities over the last decade, came at a period in which the > > > value of the Australian dollar has moved from around 50 US cents to > > > passing parity with the US dollar. > > > Essentially, if the local currency strengthens or inflation pushes up the > > > price of goods increase (both of which have occurred here since over the > > > last decade), the relative cost of living will also rise. (More from > > > Michael Yardney: Treat Your Property Investment Like A Business) > > > There's no sugar coating it > > > There's no sugar coating it...the cost of living and property prices are > > > expensive in Australia, but for a good reason when you consider our > > > general economic wealth, our ever expanding population and all the new > > > development struggling to keep up with the escalating demand. > > > However rather than focusing on the prospect of paying more for the > > > Australian way of life (which, let's face it, won't change the price of > > > our groceries or real estate), perhaps we should take a different > > > perspective. > > > You probably believe in the old adage - you get what you pay for â" > > > right? > > > The lucky country > > > So doesn't it go without saying that if you want to live in what most > > > people perceive as "the lucky country", then you're going to have to be > > > prepared to pay for living in the best place on the planet! > > > In other words, we need to be prepared to pay more for our higher > > > standard of living comes at a premium. For the privilege of enjoying our > > > relatively clean environment, low unemployment, stable economy and larger > > > homes clustered around major coastal cities. > > > Now while we might feel a little hard done by and, on occasions, whinge > > > about the significant increase in house prices, rents and our grocery > > > bills, consider the residents of those countries that came in last. (More > > > from Yahoo!7 Finance: Six Investing Rules From The World's Top Investors) > > > We are spoilt > > > Would you really like to reside in the likes of Pakistan's Karachi, the > > > cheapest place to live and work where the cost of living is less than > > > one-third of that of Tokyo? Or what about the infamous Indian cities of > > > Mumbai and New Delhi, where poverty is rife and the rate of homelessness > > > is through the roof? > > > Rounding out the bottom ten on the cost of living index are cities dotted > > > throughout the troubled Middle East and North Africa, with the low cost > > > of living in these parts driven by a mix of weakened currencies, low > > > levels of development and, in some cases, price controls and subsidies in > > > staple goods. > > > For me, there is no question that we are indeed a very lucky country â" > > > many would even suggest we are "spoilt". After all, we enjoy a glut of > > > wide open spaces, comparatively clean beaches, jobs for those who want to > > > work, homes with all of the modern conveniences we've come to expect, > > > excellent investment opportunities there for the taking and a world > > > leading economy. > > > At the end of the day, I guess you really do get what you pay for! > > > Oh - one last thought... > > > If we are widely recognized as the most liveable country in what is fast > > > becoming an increasingly inhospitable world, would-be residents will be > > > beating a path to our door and we'll end up with a big Australia after > > > all. > > > Where are we going to put all those people? > > > Don't get me wrong â" I think we need a growing population to support > > > our economy and replace our retiring Baby Boomer workforce. In the words > > > of a famous past Prime Minister â" we must populate or perish. > > > Christopher Joye, director of Rismark estimates that Australia will > > > likely have to absorb 2.3 million additional households over the next 15 > > > years alone. BIS Shrapnel estimates that this translates into a new home > > > building requirement of about 3 million properties once you account for > > > demolitions and the historical share of unoccupied homes (e.g., holiday > > > houses, etc). > > > There is no doubt that this substantial increase in population will bring > > > with it many social, political, infrastructure and environmental concerns. > > > The fact is that our politicians must make some hard decisions and start > > > investing in improving our infrastructure so we can have the sustainable > > > growth that will ensure we remain the lucky country. (More from Yahoo!7 > > > Finance: Buying vs Renting â" Which Will Make Wou Richer?) > > > Michael Yardney is a director of Metropole Property Strategists who > > > create wealth for their clients through independent, unbiased property > > > advice and advocacy. He is best-selling author, one of Australia's > > > leading experts in wealth creation through property and writes the > > > Property Update blog. 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