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-----Original Message----- From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com> Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:39:34 To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky ( "Roman Proteus" yang nggak waras..) Kasihan saya melihat "Roman Proteus" yang jadi sedeng begini karena menurutkan ajaran taik onta islam itu. Betul-betul kasihan saya melihatnya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@...> wrote: > > Just pig paling demen dan bahagia kalau doledekin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:56:17 > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky ( "Roman Proteus" yang nggak > waras..) > > > Nggak salah lagi dah, "Roman Proteus" jelas sudah nggak waras.. > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@> wrote: > > > > Just Pig bangga kalau dipanggil anjing tua > > > > Buktinya rajin jawab email gw > > > > Ya gak Jing? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:43:24 > > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky ( "Roman Proteus" yang nggak > > waras..) > > > > > > Nggak salah lagi dah: "Roman Proteus" ini jelas bukan saja manusia dungu > > kayak anjing, berpengetahuan dangkal kayak comberan dimusim kemarau di > > Jakarta tapi juga manusia sedeng.. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@> wrote: > > > > > > Dasar anjing tua ke ge eran > > > Siapa yang mau argumen sama elo? > > > > > > Ge er lo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:38:29 > > > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky ( "Roman Proteus" yang nggak > > > waras..) > > > > > > > > > Nggak salah lagi dah.. > > > > > > "Roman Proteus" ini jelas udah nggak waras. > > > > > > Dia bukannya membawa argumen untuk membantah apa yang saya katakan kalau > > > dia pikir saya salah, atau merenungkan apa yang saya katakan kalau dia > > > pikir apa yang saya katakan benar. > > > > > > Yang menyedihkan adalah bahwa rata-rata peserta yag beragma islam disini > > > sama saja sedengnya dengan "Roman Proteus" ini. > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Eh > > > > > > > > Ada anjing tua menggonggong > > > > > > > > Kapan elo pindah ke ostrali Jing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:22:10 > > > > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky ( "Roman Proteus" yang > > > > nggak waras..) > > > > > > > > > > > > Inilah contoh cara berfikir orang berotak anjing.. > > > > > > > > Membaca posting orang yang hidup di Australia itu "Roman Proteus" > > > > bukannya berusaha berfikir, atau mengajak orang Indonesia lain untuk > > > > berfikir bagaimana caranya Indonesia yang dedel duwel itu bisa punya > > > > jaminan kesehatan dan jaminan sosial yang bagus seperti di Australia > > > > itu. > > > > > > > > Nggak, berita itu dipakai "Roman Proteus" yang berotak anjing itu > > > > untuk memamerkan kedangkalan pengetahuannnya dan fikiran busuknya > > > > sembari bilang "kayanya bentar lagi si just pig, akan hijrah ke > > > > australia buat nyari tunjangan gratis di sana" saya yang tidak perlu > > > > tunjangan karena saya menikmati pensiun yang aduhai di negeri yang > > > > juga, seperti Australia, punya jaminan kesehatan dan jaminan sosial > > > > yang aduhai. > > > > > > > > Yang menyedihkana adalah bahwa orang yang berotak babi seperti "Roman > > > > Proteus" ini banyak di Indonesia.. Lihat aja di mailing list ini, ada > > > > berapa peserta mailing list ini yang menghargai posting orang > > > > Indonesia yang hidup di luar negeri dan bercerita apa yang baik dan > > > > bagus diluar Indonesia yang mestinya dijadikan dorongan oleh orang > > > > Indonesia yang hidup di Indonesia buat memikirkan jalan untuk > > > > memperbaiki apa yang perlu diperbaiki di Indonesia. > > > > > > > > Nggak, reaksi rata-rata orang Indonesia membaca posting seperti itu > > > > adalah sejenis: "Ah di Indonesia juga sebagus itu kok..". > > > > > > > > Atau, seperti "Roman Proteus" ini, posting seperti itu dipakainya > > > > untuk mempertontonkan isi otaknya yagn busuk.. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus" <pt_kasoet@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mendengar berita ini kayanya bentar lagi si just pig, akan hijrah ke > > > > > australia buat nyari tunjangan gratis di sana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > > > > > Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:22:11 > > > > > To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Living in the Lucky country comes at a cost. > > > > > > > > > > Berlainan dengan keadaan di AS di mana harga propertinya jatuh tajam, > > > > > di Australia terjadi kebalikannya. Australia menerima ratusan ribu > > > > > tenaga trampil tiap tahunnya yang telah terseleksi dengan baik dan > > > > > sekarang yang banyak datang adalah orang-orang asal RRC dan India > > > > > dengan sebelumnya berdasarkan statistik mayoritas yang datang adalah > > > > > orang-orang asal Inggris. Mereka ini akan memerlukan tempat tinggal, > > > > > sementara Pemerintah Australia tidak terlibat dalam pembangunan rumah > > > > > baru. Dengan adanya 'negative gearing' maka orang banyak bisa > > > > > terlibat dalam pengadaan rumah-rumah baru bahkan menjadi milyuner > > > > > dengan dimilikinya sedemikian banyak rumah yang disewakan. > > > > > > > > > > Ada berita yang cukup menyesakan para pensiunan di mana para > > > > > pengungsi asal manusia perahu ditampung dalam hotel-hotel mewah di > > > > > Queensland dengan masing-masing orang masih menerima lagi uang saku > > > > > sebesar A$ 400 per minggu. Berita semacam ini tentunya akan > > > > > menyebabkan semakin banyaknya perahu-perahu pengungsi berdatangan. > > > > > > > > > > Ibu saya memegang kartu Medicare hingga segala biaya rumah sakit > > > > > gratis. Beliau baru saja menyelesaikan 3 kali prosedur ERCP untuk > > > > > mengambil batu-batu empedu dengan tanpa membayar sedikitpun juga. > > > > > Yang mahal adalah biaya parkirnya yang A$ 19 setelah lewat 3 jam. > > > > > Dengan adanya kartu konsesi Commonwealth Seniors Health Card, maka > > > > > tiap resep dokter bisa ditebus dengan hanya membayar A$ 5,60 saja. > > > > > Disamping itu dalam beberapa tahun lagi ibu saya sudah berhak untuk > > > > > menerima santunan pensiun, padahal ibu saya sebelumnya tidak pernah > > > > > membayar pajak di Australia. > > > > > > > > > > Bekas kolega saya yang lulusan IIT Roorkee menyatakan betapa > > > > > beruntungnya tinggal di Australia yang aman dengan anak-aank bisa > > > > > tumbuh dan berkembang secara optimal. Orang ini dulunya pernah > > > > > bekerja pada Alcatel Jerman selama beberapa tahun. > > > > > > > > > > Dalam berbagai survai posisi Australia selalu menempati > > > > > peringkat-peringkat terbaik, jadi tampaknya benar juga bahwa > > > > > Australia is the lucky country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Harry Adinegara <sans_culotte_30@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the lucky country or......are we afterall spoilt? > > > > > >  > > > > > > Memang terasa saat ini apa2 ,kebutuhan se-hari2 naik, begitu juga > > > > > > yang aku rasakan rumah yang kami beli 17 tahunan yang lalu > > > > > > sekarang dipasaran melonjak 3X.Properti , rumah hunian disini > > > > > > arealnya lebih gede ketimbang di Amerika. Wide open spaces... > > > > > > memang aku rasakan ketimbang misalnya di Jerman (dimana aku pernah > > > > > > tinggal), banyak taman2 luas yang teratur rapi dan bersih, > > > > > > ini dapat ditemui disetiap kota diAustralia. > > > > > >  Kenaikan keperluan hidup se-hari2 ini > > > > > > diakibatkan a.l.  karena nilai tukar dollar Aussie lebih tinggi > > > > > > dibanding dengan US $. Saat ini > > > > > > rate-nya 1Aus$= 1.03US$, selang beberapa waktu mencapai 1A$=1.10 > > > > > > US$. Mungkin juga nilai tukar terhadap rupiah akan naik juga. > > > > > > Ngak salah lah, aku sering katakan Australia bak.....heaven on > > > > > > earth. Yang patut di banggakan yalah santunan terhadap kemaslahatan > > > > > > rakyatnya bisa dikatakan tertinggi di dunia, social security no 1. > > > > > > SDA Australia melimpah ruah, hasil export ini bernilai ber-billiun2 > > > > > > dollar setahun-nya , semuanya kembali untuk merawat > > > > > > kemaslahatan-nya rakyat banyak, > > > > > > bukan di tilep oleh pemimpin2nya. Pikir2 bila dibanding dengan > > > > > > Indonesia benua Australia itu bukan apa2-nya, SDA,SDM di Indonesia > > > > > > melimpah > > > > > > ruah, tapi "berkat" mismanagement makanya  negara jadi deldel > > > > > > duwel, yang kaya ...tambah kaya yang miskin ....makan sekali sehari > > > > > > sudah dibilang mujur. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Harry Adinegara > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > Subject: Living in the Lucky country comes at a cost. > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the Lucky Country comes at a cost > > > > > > October 19, 2011, 4:23 pm By Michael Yardney Yahoo!7 > > > > > > For me, there is no question that we are indeed a very lucky > > > > > > country â" many would even suggest we are "spoilt". > > > > > > * > > > > > > Michael Yardney is a director of Metropole Property Strategists who > > > > > > create wealth for their clients through independent, unbiased > > > > > > property advice and advocacy. Michael has often been called > > > > > > Australia's leading expert in wealth creation through property and > > > > > > his opinions have been featured in major newspapers and magazines > > > > > > throughout Australia.Full Bio » > > > > > > Sydney and Melbourne both now have the dubious honour as two of the > > > > > > top ten most expensive cities in which to live according to the > > > > > > Worldwide Cost of Living 2011 Survey, conducted by the Economist > > > > > > Magazine's Intelligence Unit (EIU.) > > > > > > And while some media outlets are having a field day with the > > > > > > negative implications such as the rising cost of living, more > > > > > > families struggling financially, households increasingly > > > > > > experiencing mortgage stress and so on; others are criticising the > > > > > > magazine suggesting the Economist Intelligence Unit is an oxymoron > > > > > > and should be renamed. > > > > > > I know I've often disagreed with some of their assessments of > > > > > > Australian property, but I am happy to agree with a different > > > > > > report, their Global Liveability Survey, which anointed Melbourne > > > > > > as the world's most liveable city. > > > > > > One the best thing about winning the top spot is that Sydney must > > > > > > be envious only ranking 6th, with Perth and Adelaide ranking joint > > > > > > 8th and Brisbane lagging the other Australian capitals ranking > > > > > > 21st. (More from Michael Yardney: Where Are Property Prices > > > > > > Heading?) > > > > > > What they were measuring > > > > > > Back to being amongst the most expensive country to live > > > > > > in...firstly lets understand what they were measuring. > > > > > > To measure the cost of living the EIU looked at "point of sale" > > > > > > prices for more than 160 everyday consumer items in 140 major > > > > > > cities around the world, and then ranked each city according to its > > > > > > cost of living. > > > > > > According to this study, Sydney and Melbourne ranked sixth and > > > > > > seventh as the most expensive places to live, while Perth and > > > > > > Brisbane just failed to make top ten status, coming in at 13th and > > > > > > 14th place. This is in stark contrast to a decade ago, when Sydney > > > > > > and Melbourne were ranked as the 71st and 80th most expensive > > > > > > cities, and Perth was in the 91st position and Brisbane was 93rd. > > > > > > Two major reasons > > > > > > There are two major reasons why a city's cost-of-living index will > > > > > > change over time: exchange rate movements and price movement. > > > > > > The report explains that the remarkable rise in the cost of living > > > > > > in Australian cities over the last decade, came at a period in > > > > > > which the value of the Australian dollar has moved from around 50 > > > > > > US cents to passing parity with the US dollar. > > > > > > Essentially, if the local currency strengthens or inflation pushes > > > > > > up the price of goods increase (both of which have occurred here > > > > > > since over the last decade), the relative cost of living will also > > > > > > rise. (More from Michael Yardney: Treat Your Property Investment > > > > > > Like A Business) > > > > > > There's no sugar coating it > > > > > > There's no sugar coating it...the cost of living and property > > > > > > prices are expensive in Australia, but for a good reason when you > > > > > > consider our general economic wealth, our ever expanding population > > > > > > and all the new development struggling to keep up with the > > > > > > escalating demand. > > > > > > However rather than focusing on the prospect of paying more for the > > > > > > Australian way of life (which, let's face it, won't change the > > > > > > price of our groceries or real estate), perhaps we should take a > > > > > > different perspective. > > > > > > You probably believe in the old adage - you get what you pay for > > > > > > â" right? > > > > > > The lucky country > > > > > > So doesn't it go without saying that if you want to live in what > > > > > > most people perceive as "the lucky country", then you're going to > > > > > > have to be prepared to pay for living in the best place on the > > > > > > planet! > > > > > > In other words, we need to be prepared to pay more for our higher > > > > > > standard of living comes at a premium. For the privilege of > > > > > > enjoying our relatively clean environment, low unemployment, stable > > > > > > economy and larger homes clustered around major coastal cities. > > > > > > Now while we might feel a little hard done by and, on occasions, > > > > > > whinge about the significant increase in house prices, rents and > > > > > > our grocery bills, consider the residents of those countries that > > > > > > came in last. (More from Yahoo!7 Finance: Six Investing Rules From > > > > > > The World's Top Investors) > > > > > > We are spoilt > > > > > > Would you really like to reside in the likes of Pakistan's Karachi, > > > > > > the cheapest place to live and work where the cost of living is > > > > > > less than one-third of that of Tokyo? Or what about the infamous > > > > > > Indian cities of Mumbai and New Delhi, where poverty is rife and > > > > > > the rate of homelessness is through the roof? > > > > > > Rounding out the bottom ten on the cost of living index are cities > > > > > > dotted throughout the troubled Middle East and North Africa, with > > > > > > the low cost of living in these parts driven by a mix of weakened > > > > > > currencies, low levels of development and, in some cases, price > > > > > > controls and subsidies in staple goods. > > > > > > For me, there is no question that we are indeed a very lucky > > > > > > country â" many would even suggest we are "spoilt". After all, we > > > > > > enjoy a glut of wide open spaces, comparatively clean beaches, jobs > > > > > > for those who want to work, homes with all of the modern > > > > > > conveniences we've come to expect, excellent investment > > > > > > opportunities there for the taking and a world leading economy. > > > > > > At the end of the day, I guess you really do get what you pay for! > > > > > > Oh - one last thought... > > > > > > If we are widely recognized as the most liveable country in what is > > > > > > fast becoming an increasingly inhospitable world, would-be > > > > > > residents will be beating a path to our door and we'll end up with > > > > > > a big Australia after all. > > > > > > Where are we going to put all those people? > > > > > > Don't get me wrong â" I think we need a growing population to > > > > > > support our economy and replace our retiring Baby Boomer workforce. > > > > > > In the words of a famous past Prime Minister â" we must populate > > > > > > or perish. > > > > > > Christopher Joye, director of Rismark estimates that Australia will > > > > > > likely have to absorb 2.3 million additional households over the > > > > > > next 15 years alone. BIS Shrapnel estimates that this translates > > > > > > into a new home building requirement of about 3 million properties > > > > > > once you account for demolitions and the historical share of > > > > > > unoccupied homes (e.g., holiday houses, etc). > > > > > > There is no doubt that this substantial increase in population will > > > > > > bring with it many social, political, infrastructure and > > > > > > environmental concerns. > > > > > > The fact is that our politicians must make some hard decisions and > > > > > > start investing in improving our infrastructure so we can have the > > > > > > sustainable growth that will ensure we remain the lucky country. > > > > > > (More from Yahoo!7 Finance: Buying vs Renting â" Which Will Make > > > > > > Wou Richer?) > > > > > > Michael Yardney is a director of Metropole Property Strategists who > > > > > > create wealth for their clients through independent, unbiased > > > > > > property advice and advocacy. He is best-selling author, one of > > > > > > Australia's leading experts in wealth creation through property and > > > > > > writes the Property Update blog. 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