Dungu, Soeharto itu mundur krn dikhianati oleh penjilat pantatnya yg antara lain bikin rusuh tgl 13-14 Mei 1998.
>________________________________ > From: johny_indon <johny_in...@yahoo.com> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:03 PM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > >oh gitu blek. >jadi suharto jatoh karena siapa? si juplik? > >bentar gua mau ke toilet dulu, ngedadak mules nih nahan ketawa. > >WKWKWKKWKWKWKKWKWKWKKWK! > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Cuma orang tolol yg bilang bhw yg ngejatohin orba itu adalah demo mahasiswa. >> >> Kalo ngeliat kelakuan mahasiswa, hehehe... mereka itu doyan saling tawuran >> antar sesama mahasiswa. Yg kayak gini ngejatohin orba? >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:34 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >> >katanya, tidak peduli..) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >buset dah. >> >lu itu ngerasa berjasa banget atas kejatuhan orba ya plik? >> >emang yg lu lakukan itu, ngobrolin soal indonesia sambil minum anggur, lu >> >anggap usaha yg luar biasa ya? >> > >> >semua orang indo tau yg menjatuhkan orba itu ya demo mahasiswa, bukan >> >gembel ngga jelas yg tinggal enak2 di belanda kayak elu. >> > >> >lu bayar pajak di indonesia aja kagak, mau sok merasa punya >> >kontribusi buat indonesia. >> >jangan2 lu ke luar negri juga pake duit negara ya plik? >> >lu itu manusia tak berguna, sebelum maupun setelah kejatuhan orba. >> >buat indonesia, elu adalah sampah yg bahkan ngga bisa di daur ulang. >> > >> >lu emang tua bangke yg ngga tau malu plik. >> > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu >> >> artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah itu. >> >> >> >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 hingga >> >> Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan >> >> sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda >> >> yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. >> >> >> >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan >> >> sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah manusia >> >> oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Ha ha ha. >> >> > >> >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke >> >> > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. >> >> > >> >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar yang >> >> > telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" anda >> >> > selama ini? >> >> > >> >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang orang >> >> > lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang >> >> > sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang >> >> > ini pantas menerima santunan? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi >> >> > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. >> >> > > >> >> > > Ini satu. >> >> > > >> >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan karena >> >> > > anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial dan jaminan >> >> > > kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli akan >> >> > > kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan anda >> >> > > tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para bedebah yang >> >> > > menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari merek menghina korban >> >> > > jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat dengan petatagng petiting dengan >> >> > > mobil mewah hasil jarahannya. >> >> > > >> >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi >> >> > > menjijikkan. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda tidak >> >> > > > berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga yang tinggal >> >> > > > di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang merupakan >> >> > > > feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin bisa >> >> > > > memberikan perubahan. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena mereka >> >> > > > tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda >> >> > > > sendiri. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan ibu >> >> > > > saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan sen-sen yang >> >> > > > dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih banyak >> >> > > > daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak gratis dan >> >> > > > saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi >> >> > > > > menjijikkan. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah >> >> > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu >> >> > > > > menghina korban jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari >> >> > > > > petatang petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di >> >> > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item abu >> >> > > > > peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang dilakukan >> >> > > > > pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya berpihak kepada >> >> > > > > pejabat penjahat itu. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" >> >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Asyik... >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di Indonesia >> >> > > > > > > yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan mereka... >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan mobil >> >> > > > > > > mewah... >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. >> >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di mana >> >> > > > > > > > lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya mobil-mobil >> >> > > > > > > > mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, maka itu >> >> > > > > > > > pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu >> >> > > > > > > > recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori mobil-mobil mewah >> >> > > > > > > > dalam definisi standar seperti yang disebutkan dalam >> >> > > > > > > > WIKIPEDIA. >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk >> >> > > > > > > > punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali tidak peduli >> >> > > > > > > > karena bukan urusan gua. >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah >> >> > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, >> >> > > > > > > > > lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia >> >> > > > > > > > > make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah ngelarang si >> >> > > > > > > > > Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang >> >> > > > > > > > > adalah si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, >> >> > > > > > > > > bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan ngelarang si >> >> > > > > > > > > Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, tp >> >> > > > > > > > > dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw >> >> > > > > > > > > mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg >> >> > > > > > > > > bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, maka >> >> > > > > > > > > ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> >> > > > > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM >> >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil >> >> > > > > > > > > >mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan >> >> > > > > > > > > >orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu urusan pribadi >> >> > > > > > > > > >orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti duitnya >> >> > > > > > > > > >bukan dari lu. >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> >> >> > > > > > > > > >wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar >> >> > > > > > > > > >> mulut lobang taik lu ini. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, tetapi >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun Porsche Panamera >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> bersaing dalam kemewahan high-end / ukuran penuh >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> kategori mewah. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. Semua >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu merk >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebuah mobil sport. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan Ferrari >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk dalam >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> punya mata atau cuma baso doang. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete in the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > dungunya, referensi Teddy yang >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, jadi >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan meluangkan >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury â€" >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features beyond strict >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityâ€"at increased expense (see: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definition of luxury). The term suggests a >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle with greater equipment, performance, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > construction precision, comfort, design >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ingenuity, technological innovation, or >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features that convey brand image, cachet, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or prestigeâ€"or any other >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > discretionary feature or combination of >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is relatively >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by several European >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands in the mid-2000s, and constitute the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > least expensive offerings in their lineups. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > These cars are targeted at a niche market of >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > young customers who have a more refined taste >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in their automobiles and the means to pay for >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > them.[citation needed] By offering a smaller, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lighter, more fuel-efficient, and less >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive vehicle, this serves to introduce a >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > younger customer to the luxury marque, in hopes >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of retaining the coveted customer >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > loyalty.[citation needed] This includes the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Lexus CT, and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with mass >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market cars from the marque's parent company >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (the A3), and/or have less sophisticated >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platforms compared to upmarket vehicles in the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineup (such as the B-Class). The body style >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tends to be a hatchback or compact wagon, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > previously associated with economy cars but >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > regaining popularity in the United States for >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > its afforded utility. The luxury branding and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > style, high-quality interior materials, wide >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > range of convenience features, and performance >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powertrains are key to distinguishing them from >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market equivalents (one mistake made by >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Cadillac Cimarron) and making these appeal >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to consumers. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US considers >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the premium >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact segment due to similar size and MSRP, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > though these are known in Europe as a small >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > family car and a compact executive car, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also known >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the compact executive car in Britain and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the US, this >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles in >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the line-up of luxury brands as well as the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than compact cars. Mass >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market compact cars typically use the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical front wheel drive transverse engine >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layout, well suited to the inline-4 engine, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which also maximizes interior room. Several >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars are rear-wheel drive >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with longitudinal engines, for improved >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > stability and handling, and in order to >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines (straight-6, V6, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rarely V8), with four-wheel drive often being >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > available. Compact executive cars also tend >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have more complicated independent suspensions, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sportier transmissions, and high revolution >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines that may require premium gasoline. The >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more complex powertrain and mechanical layouts >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of compact executive cars comes at increased >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cost and reduced interior passenger and trunk >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > space. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize sporty handling. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura TL, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are also >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in the United >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States and Canada, being similar in price to >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not sold >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in Europe and do not fall under European luxury >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > classifications. The ES and TL actually began >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as badge engineered versions of the midsize >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, respectively, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retaining the front wheel drive transverse >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, whereas Toyota's current Lexus >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > IS does not share a platform with mass market >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Toyota cars. The ES and TL are not considered >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars either, despite similar >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dimensions, since executive cars usually >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize higher performance, often being >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines. The >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > present iterations of the ES and LaCrosse >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize "comfortable, reasonably priced >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury", while the TL has recently been targeted at >> the entry-level >> >> > > > > > > > > luxury >> >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been very >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > competitive, and there has been >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped non-luxury >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The bestselling vehicles of the marque >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are frequently compact executive cars, such as >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the BMW 3 Series that makes up 40% of the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred to >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as executive cars in Britain, Obere >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'¨res in French. Examples include >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > E-Class, and Jaguar XF >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to mid-size >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars and large family cars, executive cars are >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered and positioned as premium vehicles >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with better performance and technology >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher development >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and production costs, as many well-known >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-luxury cars use the longitudinal (usually >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front engine rear wheel drive layout) engine >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mounting which affords space for powerful >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines such as a V8, instead of the more >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical transverse engine layout of mass >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market cars which are restricted to inline-4 or >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V6. Executive cars usually have lower sales and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production volumes compared to mid-size cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and large family cars, as base trims with less >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment and smaller engines are not sold in >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. and Canadian markets. Also due to the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > problem of steep depreciation, especially >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less prestigious brands, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > most executive cars are produced by marques >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that specialize in larger/more expensive >> vehicles. Particularly in >> >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is >> >> > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> from lesser-known manufacturers such as CitroÃÆ'«n >> >> > > > > > > > > >> and Infiniti have not had much success. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the mid-range >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models of several luxury car manufacturers. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are also some flagship sedans in this >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment, such as the Acura RL and Infiniti M. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Executive cars such as the BMW 5 Series are >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > crucial to a luxury automaker's bottom line, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and although not the highest-selling model, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > they generate a significant amount of profits >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > due to the lucrative technology options. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of these >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are the marque's showcases for the newest >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive technology. Several nameplates also >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer long-wheelbase versions that offer >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > additional rear legroom and amenities. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Full-size luxury cars sold in Canada and the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. typically have mid-displacement V8 >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines, though recently some marques have >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offered six cylinder powerplants but without >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > much success. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models from the flagship lines of luxury car >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi A8, BMW 7 >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that provides >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and related industries, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has defined the term "super luxury" segment for >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury cars costing more than US$100,000. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Maserati, as these marques do not offer >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury or mid-luxury segments like more >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to move >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > downmarket somewhat with offerings priced >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considerably lower than their traditional >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom and Bentley >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce Ghost and the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley Continental GT, creating what Car and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Driver describes as the "entry-opulent >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment". Bentley, Maybach, and Rolls-Royce >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles share platforms and engines with other >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury brands from their parent auto company, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > however Rolls-Royce and Bentley are assembled >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in England (separate from the rest of BMW and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Group's production plants) and this >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exclusivity" has made these British marques a >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sales success. By comparison, Maybachs are >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > built alongside the Mercedes-Benz S-Class >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship sedan which has explained why it has >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not fared well in the market, furthermore the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maybach's pedigree was virtually unknown >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > outside of Germany unlike its British rivals >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which have long enjoyed renown worldwide. A >> Bentley executive was >> >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince >> >> > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which is >> >> > > > > > > > > >> at least twice that of a flagship luxury car from BMW >> >> > > > > > > > > >> or Mercedes-Benz. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are often >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > included here as well. They often have >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refinement and smoothness, even though >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make similar output >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > while being less expensive. While BMW sells far >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fewer V12-engined 7-Series vehicles than V8 >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > versions, the V12 retains popularity in the US, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > China, and Russia, as well as maintaining the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marque's prestige in the luxury vehicle market >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment. These ultra-luxury trims also feature >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > standard luxury and technology features that >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > would be considered optional on their V8 >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > siblings. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete in the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan oleh >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil mewah >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk kelas >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, yaitu >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > L.... (cari sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > disuapin aja). >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete in the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, walau >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > harganya sendiri relatif mahal. 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