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Anjing tua yang gak tau arti perbedaan pendapat itu sah Anjing tua yang ngerasa dirinya paling bener Anjing tua yang gak mendapatkan penghargaan, gak kayak temen dia di Paris yang idup tenang, gak punya musuh, dan dapet penghargaan di Paris Anjing tua yang ngarep matinya sendirian, kuburannya diludahin sama orang banyak Anjing tua yang doyan diledekin Anjing tua yang gak punya nyali beranak karena takut bertanggung jawab Anjing tua yang pelit, ngaku ngaku nyumbang ke Haiti, krn udah bayar pajak, anjing tua itu gak ngerti kalo dia kudu ngeluarin duit ekstra dr kocek, itu baru namanya nyumbang beneran, kalo pajak mah kewajiban, bukan sukarela, gw yakin kalo belanda gak mewajibkan bayar pajak pasti anjing tua ini kagak mau bayar pajak, tapi ngemis tunjangannya mau Kesian banget elo PIG Wkwkwkwkwkwkwk -----Original Message----- From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com> Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:44:43 To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, katanya, tidak peduli..) Tiap orang yang tidak sedungu Teddy juga akan maklum bahwa orang yang diiundang dan tidak datang tanpa penjealasan arttinya tu orang tidak bersedia datang - dan bukan berhalangan. Dan nggak kebetulan kok Teddy ini lebih senang dengan sistem perpajakan di Amerika yang juga punya jaminan sosial yang termasuk terburuk diantara negeri maju - dan nggak heran Teddy itu tidak begitu senang dengan sistem perpajakana Australia yang termasuk negeri yang punya jaminan sosial yang terbaik diantara negeri maju. Teddy itu adalah manusia serakah yang hanya memikirkan dirinya sendiri. Manusia bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@...> wrote: > > Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama sia-sianya > dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat saya dulu berurusan dengan > pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, rombongan tersebut saya kejar hingga ke markas > mereka di Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala rombongan mereka, saya jelaskan > masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan maaf dengan memberikan nama dan alamat > di mana sang kepala rombongan berjanji untuk mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu > contoh yang langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat terkait. Protege anda ini luar > biasa pengecutnya. > > Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi saya melebihi > semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya saya lebih menghendaki sistem > perpajakan seperti di AS berlaku di Australia di mana potongan pajak jauh > lebih rendah. > > Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang ongkang-ongkang kaki tanpa > bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang pajak orang banyak. > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu > > artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah itu. > > > > Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 hingga Orde > > Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan sahabat > > saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda yang ikut > > mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. > > > > Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan > > sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah manusia > > oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > Ha ha ha. > > > > > > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok > > > itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. > > > > > > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar yang > > > telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" anda selama > > > ini? > > > > > > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang orang > > > lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang > > > sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang ini > > > pantas menerima santunan? > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi undangan > > > > yang disampaikan kepadanya.. > > > > > > > > Ini satu. > > > > > > > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan karena > > > > anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial dan jaminan > > > > kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli akan > > > > kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan anda tidak > > > > peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para bedebah yang menjarah > > > > khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari merek menghina korban jarahannnnya > > > > yang jadi melarat dengan petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah hasil > > > > jarahannya. > > > > > > > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi > > > > menjijikkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda tidak > > > > > berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga yang tinggal > > > > > di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang merupakan > > > > > feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin bisa memberikan > > > > > perubahan. > > > > > > > > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena mereka > > > > > tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda > > > > > sendiri. > > > > > > > > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan ibu saya > > > > > terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan sen-sen yang > > > > > dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih banyak > > > > > daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak gratis dan saya > > > > > malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini. > > > > > > > > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. > > > > > > > > > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi > > > > > > menjijikkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah > > > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu menghina > > > > > > korban jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari petatang petiting > > > > > > pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di > > > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item abu > > > > > > peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. > > > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang dilakukan > > > > > > pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya berpihak kepada pejabat > > > > > > penjahat itu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asyik... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di Indonesia > > > > > > > > yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan mereka... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan mobil > > > > > > > > mewah... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > > > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di mana lu > > > > > > > > > punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya mobil-mobil mewah. > > > > > > > > > Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, maka itu pastilah mobil > > > > > > > > > mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu recokin itu tidak > > > > > > > > > termasuk kategori mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi standar > > > > > > > > > seperti yang disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk > > > > > > > > > punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali tidak peduli > > > > > > > > > karena bukan urusan gua. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah > > > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, lalu > > > > > > > > > > si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia make > > > > > > > > > > duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah ngelarang si Teddy > > > > > > > > > > make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang adalah > > > > > > > > > > si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, bajingan yg ga > > > > > > > > > > peduli dgn orang lain, bukan ngelarang si Teddy make duit > > > > > > > > > > sesuka hatinya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, tp > > > > > > > > > > dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw > > > > > > > > > > mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg bilang > > > > > > > > > > kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, maka ybs itu > > > > > > > > > > bermulut lobang taik. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > > > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil > > > > > > > > > > >mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan > > > > > > > > > > >orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu urusan pribadi > > > > > > > > > > >orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti duitnya bukan > > > > > > > > > > >dari lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar > > > > > > > > > > >> mulut lobang taik lu ini. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > > > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > > > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >à> > > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan > > > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek eksotis" > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, seperti sebagai > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> mobil sport dari Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> high-end / ukuran penuh kategori mewah. > > > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > > > > > > > > > > >> >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau > > > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, nista > > > > > > > > > > >> >> lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang fikiran-fikirannya > > > > > > > > > > >> >> saling bertentangan dan hanya mementingkan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana unsur > > > > > > > > > > >> >> HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang > > > > > > > > > > >> >> normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu merk sebuah mobil > > > > > > > > > > >> >> sport. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan mampu > > > > > > > > > > >> >> merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga > > > > > > > > > > >> >> WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan Ferrari sebagai > > > > > > > > > > >> >> salah satu mobil yang termasuk dalam klasifikasi > > > > > > > > > > >> >> mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk melakukan hal > > > > > > > > > > >> >> itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka punya > > > > > > > > > > >> >> mata atau cuma baso doang. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, but > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > would not necessarily be categorized as luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automobiles, such as the sports cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Porsche Panamera does compete in the high-end > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury/full-size luxury category. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > > > > > > >> >> <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > dungunya, referensi Teddy yang > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista lagi > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel dalam > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, jadi > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan meluangkan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a vehicle > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that provides luxury ââ¬" pleasant or desirable > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features beyond strict necessityââ¬"at > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased expense (see: definition of luxury). > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The term suggests a vehicle with greater > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment, performance, construction precision, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comfort, design ingenuity, technological > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > innovation, or features that convey brand image, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cachet, status, or prestigeââ¬"or any other > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > discretionary feature or combination of features. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification needed] > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or small-luxury class is relatively new, having > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > been initiated by several European brands in the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-2000s, and constitute the least expensive > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offerings in their lineups. These cars are > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > targeted at a niche market of young customers who > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have a more refined taste in their automobiles > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and the means to pay for them.[citation needed] > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By offering a smaller, lighter, more > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, this > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > serves to introduce a younger customer to the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury marque, in hopes of retaining the coveted > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > customer loyalty.[citation needed] This includes > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Lexus CT, and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with mass > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market cars from the marque's parent company (the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A3), and/or have less sophisticated platforms > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compared to upmarket vehicles in the lineup (such > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the B-Class). The body style tends to be a > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hatchback or compact wagon, previously associated > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with economy cars but regaining popularity in the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > United States for its afforded utility. The > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury branding and style, high-quality interior > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > materials, wide range of convenience features, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and performance powertrains are key to > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > distinguishing them from mass market equivalents > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (one mistake made by the Cadillac Cimarron) and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > making these appeal to consumers. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance Consumer > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Guide Automotive in the US considers the Audi A3 > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and A4 as part of the premium compact segment due > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to similar size and MSRP, though these are known > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in Europe as a small family car and a compact > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also known as > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the compact executive car in Britain and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the US, this segment > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mostly includes the bottom vehicles in the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > line-up of luxury brands as well as the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury brands. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are smaller > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than mid-size/large family cars, and sometimes > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > even smaller than compact cars. Mass market > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact cars typically use the economical front > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wheel drive transverse engine layout, well suited > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to the inline-4 engine, which also maximizes > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior room. Several compact executive cars are > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines, for > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > improved stability and handling, and in order to > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of higher-performance > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines (straight-6, V6, rarely V8), with > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > four-wheel drive often being available. Compact > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars also tend have more complicated > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > independent suspensions, sportier transmissions, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and high revolution engines that may require > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium gasoline. The more complex powertrain and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mechanical layouts of compact executive cars > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comes at increased cost and reduced interior > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > passenger and trunk space. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize sporty handling. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura TL, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are also > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in the United > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States and Canada, being similar in price to the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. However, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not sold in Europe > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and do not fall under European luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > classifications. The ES and TL actually began as > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > badge engineered versions of the midsize Toyota > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Camry and Honda Accord, respectively, retaining > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the front wheel drive transverse engine layout, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > whereas Toyota's current Lexus IS does not share > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > a platform with mass market Toyota cars. The ES > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and TL are not considered executive cars either, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since executive cars > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > usually emphasize higher performance, often being > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines. The > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > present iterations of the ES and LaCrosse > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize "comfortable, reasonably priced > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury", while the TL has recently been targeted > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > at the entry-level > > > > > > > > > > luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> sport market. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been very > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > competitive, and there has been price-overlapping > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with well-equipped non-luxury cars. The > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bestselling vehicles of the marque are frequently > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars, such as the BMW 3 Series > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that makes up 40% of the vehicles that BMW sells > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred to > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as executive cars in Britain, Obere Mittelklasse > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in German, and Grandes Routières in French. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Examples include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar XF > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to mid-size > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars and large family cars, executive cars are > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered and positioned as premium vehicles > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with better performance and technology amenities. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are also higher development and production > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > costs, as many well-known mid-luxury cars use the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal (usually front engine rear wheel > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive layout) engine mounting which affords space > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for powerful engines such as a V8, instead of the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more economical transverse engine layout of mass > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market cars which are restricted to inline-4 or > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V6. Executive cars usually have lower sales and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production volumes compared to mid-size cars and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large family cars, as base trims with less > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment and smaller engines are not sold in > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. and Canadian markets. Also due to the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > problem of steep depreciation, especially > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less prestigious brands, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > most executive cars are produced by marques that > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > specialize in larger/more expensive vehicles. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Particularly in > > > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is dominated > > > > > > > > > > >> by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> lesser-known manufacturers such as Citroën and > > > > > > > > > > >> Infiniti have not had much success. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the mid-range > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models of several luxury car manufacturers. There > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are also some flagship sedans in this segment, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > such as the Acura RL and Infiniti M. Executive > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars such as the BMW 5 Series are crucial to a > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automaker's bottom line, and although not > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the highest-selling model, they generate a > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > significant amount of profits due to the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lucrative technology options. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of these > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are the marque's showcases for the newest > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive technology. Several nameplates also > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer long-wheelbase versions that offer > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > additional rear legroom and amenities. Full-size > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury cars sold in Canada and the U.S. typically > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some marques have offered six cylinder > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models from the flagship lines of luxury car > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi A8, BMW 7 > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that provides > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and related industries, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has defined the term "super luxury" segment for > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury cars costing more than US$100,000. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of Rolls > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maserati, as these marques do not offer > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or mid-luxury segments like more mainstream > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury brands like BMW and Mercedes-Benz. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to move > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > downmarket somewhat with offerings priced > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considerably lower than their traditional > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom and Bentley > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce Ghost and the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley Continental GT, creating what Car and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Driver describes as the "entry-opulent segment". > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley, Maybach, and Rolls-Royce vehicles share > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platforms and engines with other luxury brands > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from their parent auto company, however > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls-Royce and Bentley are assembled in England > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (separate from the rest of BMW and Volkswagen > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Group's production plants) and this "exclusivity" > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has made these British marques a sales success. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By comparison, Maybachs are built alongside the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan which has > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > explained why it has not fared well in the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market, furthermore the Maybach's pedigree was > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > virtually unknown outside of Germany unlike its > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > British rivals which have long enjoyed renown > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > worldwide. A Bentley executive was > > > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, history > > > > > > > > > > >> and obsessive luxury help to convince customers that a > > > > > > > > > > >> Bentley is worth the price" which is at least twice that > > > > > > > > > > >> of a flagship luxury car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are often included > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > here as well. They often have 12-cylinder > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (usually V12) engines for great refinement and > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smoothness, even though contemporary V8 engines > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > can make similar output while being less > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive. While BMW sells far fewer V12-engined > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 7-Series vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retains popularity in the US, China, and Russia, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as well as maintaining the marque's prestige in > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the luxury vehicle market segment. These > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and technology features that would be considered > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > optional on their V8 siblings. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, but > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > would not necessarily be categorized as luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automobiles, such as the sports cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Porsche Panamera does compete in the high-end > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury/full-size luxury category. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan oleh > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lagi definisinya di atas) untuk kelas mobil mewah > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Toyota punya merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau disuapin aja). > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, but > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > would not necessarily be categorized as luxury > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automobiles, such as the sports cars from > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although the > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Porsche Panamera does compete in the high-end > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury/full-size luxury category. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, walau > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan kenikmatan berkendaraan dengan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > akselerasi tinggi, bukannya memperbincangkan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu tulisan. 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