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Saat orang-orang panik adalah saat terbaik untuk mendapatkan saham-saham bermutu dengan dapat potongan besar. Itu adalah momen yang ditunggu-tunggu. Lu baca sampai tamat tulisan-tulisan Warren Buffett kalau lu mau bantu orang-orang banyak biar kagak panik dan menjual saham-sahamnya murah-murah. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Hehehe... emangnya lu tau apa itu dividen? > > Oh jadi lu bilang salah sendiri kalo rugi dan kehilangan dana pensiunnya. Dan > ga salah kalo orang kaya ngeruk untung gede di atas kerugian orang2 kecil yg > tolol2 itu. > > > Emang ga salah kan, si Teddy ini rakus dan serakah, tukang puter lidah yg ga > tau malu, dobel standard, tukang fitnah, dan bajingan keparat yg ga peduli > dgn orang lain. Dan betul jg yg Jusfiq bilang, si Teddy adalah oportunis > tulen. > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@...> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:08 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item > >abu"... > > > > > > > >Lu ini luar biasa dogolnya. Mertua kolega gua beli saham perdana 20 tahun > >yang lalu yang ditambah dengan berjalannya waktu. Waktu dia butuh uang yang > >rada besar dia lepas sahamnya, apa ini bukan keuntungan dari pasar modal > >yang merupakan pertambahan nilai. > > > >Orang-orang itu rugi karena mereka menjual. Siapa suruh mereka panik dan > >menjual? Lu harusnya tahu sendiri akan kata-kata mutiara Warren Buffett saat > >orang-orang lagi panik. > > > >Lu kagak tahu apa-apa berani kaing-kaing dan bisa-bisanya iri sama orang > >yang untung besar. > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Dasar dungu, broker Forex buka cabang di Indonesia itu krn si broker cari > >> untung, kalo si broker untung, maka yg rugi adalah orang Indonesia. > >> > >> Saking gobloknya, lu ini ga tau apa dividen itu. Mertua kolega lu itu dpt > >> duit dr dividen saham, berarti dia cuma pegang saham dr perusahaan > >> tertentu dan dpt duit dr keuntungan perusahaan, bukan dr keuntungan di > >> pasar modal. > >> > >> Kalo ada orang kaya ngambil untung dgn beli saham waktu harganya anjlok, > >> berarti ada orang yg rugi krn harganya anjlok. Dan kebanyakan yg rugi itu > >> adalah bukan orang2 kaya. > >> > >> Dr sini kliatan bhw lu ini cuma bisa asbun doang, ga tau apa2 ttg sistem > >> keuangan. > >> > >> Udah tukang fitnah yg ga tau malu dan mata duitan, lu jg tukang asbun. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________ > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:19 PM > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item > >> >abu"... > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >Pintar dah lu sampai mengambil kesimpulan begitu. > >> >Hanya gua heran, kenapa broker Forex Rusia sampai berani buka cabang di > >> >Indonesia belum terlalu lama ini? > >> >Berarti lu salah tempat kasih pencerahan karena korban yang bakalan atau > >> >sudah kena tipu sudah semakin bertambah banyak di Indonesia. Bukannya lu > >> >selalu memikirkan keselamatan orang-orang banyak? > >> > > >> >Hidup itu persaingan, lu kok nyalahin orang cari untung terus? > >> >Kalau tidak mampu bersaing, ya tahu diri, jangan main saham. Ide johny > >> >memang tepat, dagang beras aja yang praktis risikonya kecil. > >> > > >> >Sekarang lu lihat grafik saham salah satu bank terbaik Australia. > >> >http://www.google.com/finance?cid=674223 > >> >Menurut lu orang-orang yang punya saham itu merugi? > >> >Mertua kolega gua yang bule Aussie sudah pensiun dan sekarang kerjanya > >> >beberapa kali keliling dunia dalam setahun cuma dengan dana yang berasal > >> >dari dividen saham tersebut. Kalau butuh duit rada banyak, dilepaslah > >> >sebagian kecil sahamnya. Satu lembar sahamnya sekarang bernilai sekitar > >> >A$ 46 per lembar. Beberapa waktu yang lalu, ada anggota Parlemen > >> >Australia dari partai Liberal (partai orang kaya) yang langsung meraup > >> >saham ini saat nilainya berada pada titik terendah akibat krisis ekonomi > >> >global. Dalam waktu setahun lebih nilainya sudah kembali dan lipat dua > >> >dari harga terendah. > >> > > >> >Jelas kalau main saham pengetahuan harus luas, tahu kapan waktu beli dan > >> >jualnya. Jangan nyalahin orang untung karena orang demikian menguasai > >> >'technical analysis'. > >> > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hehehe... johny_indon ini langsung aja nyamber pantat si Teddy unt > >> >> dijilatin. > >> >> > >> >> Ga ada yg salah dgn gua bilang kalo si Warren Buffet untung maka orang > >> >> lain rugi. Dan biarpun yg rugi itu tau resikonya, itu ga ngubah fakta > >> >> dia itu rugi. > >> >> > >> >> Apa si Warren Buffet masih belum merasa cukup dgn kekayaannya sampe dia > >> >> terus cari untung di atas kerugian orang lain? > >> >> > >> >> Hanya sebagian kecil orang yg untung di pasar modal, sisanya relatif > >> >> rugi kalo dividen dr perusahaan dihitung. Pasar saham atau pasar uang > >> >> lainnya itu udah jadi alat unt para bajingan serakah nilep duit orang > >> >> lain. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >________________________________ > >> >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> > >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:33 AM > >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item > >> >> >abu"... > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Ãâà> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >maklumlah ted, orang ngga sekolah ya gitu deh komentarnya. > >> >> >asal njeplak aja. > >> >> >dia sekarang hidup melarat bukannya introspeksi, tapi maunya nyalahin > >> >> >orang lain. > >> >> >semua orang yg menurut dia kaya dibilang bajingan. > >> >> >padahal dia sendiri kutu busuk, benalu kehidupan, maunya kaya tanpa > >> >> >kerja. > >> >> > > >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kalau tidak kalah, pastilah menang. > >> >> >> Orang yang main saham sudah tahu pasti risikonya.Kalau tidak mau > >> >> >> rugi jangan main saham karena tidak ada yang memaksa. Jadi > >> >> >> pernyataan lu tentang Warren Buffet benar-benar menggelikan. Rupanya > >> >> >> ada Don Quixote di dunia nyata. Ha ha ha!!! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Kalo orang beli mobil mewah padahal ada banyak orang kelaparan, > >> >> >> > orang itu adalah bajingan, ga peduli dr mana duitnya. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Emangnya, gimana orang bisa kaya kalo bukannya dgn memangsa orang > >> >> >> > lain? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Apa misalnya si Eka Tjipta Wijaya itu kaya bukannya dgn ngerusak > >> >> >> > alam lewat perkebunan kelapa sawit dan pabrik kertas? Apa si > >> >> >> > Warren Buffet bukannya kaya krn dpt untung di pasar saham di mana > >> >> >> > orang lain rugi? Apa keluarga Walton pemilik Walmart bukannya kaya > >> >> >> > antara lain krn buruh di negara berkembang kerja dgn upah minim > >> >> >> > sementara Walmart bisa untung gede? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Jadi orang kaya yg ga peduli dgn orang lain itu adalah bajingan, > >> >> >> > ga peduli apakah hartanya "halal" apa kagak. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >________________________________ > >> >> >> > > From: widura <a.widura@> > >> >> >> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:43 PM > >> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi > >> >> >> > >buat "item abu"... > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >Betul, hak. Berhak beli, berhak juga berkomentar. Sepanjang orang > >> >> >> > >yg beli mobil/barang mewah dari hasil kerja kerasnya yg benar, > >> >> >> > >itu bukan bajingan, tetapi menikmati hasil kerjanya. Katakanlah > >> >> >> > >barang mewah sebagai stymulus yg memotivasi orang utk lebih giat > >> >> >> > >bekerja supaya bisa memilikinya atau untuk "naik kelas". Apalagi > >> >> >> > >hak kepemilikannya ini juga sudah dikenakan pajak yg sangat > >> >> >> > >besar. Kurang valid kalo memvonis orang beli mobil mewah langsung > >> >> >> > >si cap bajingan. Banyak faktor yg mesti dilihat lagi untuk sampai > >> >> >> > >memvonis bajingan. Seperti pejabat publik misalnya, ini perlu di > >> >> >> > >selidiki sumber dana yg dipakai utk beli mobil mewah. > >> >> >> > >-----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > >From: item abu <itemabu@> > >> >> >> > >Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:47:24 > >> >> >> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com<proletar@yahoogroups.com> > >> >> >> > >Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi > >> >> >> > >buat "item abu"... > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >Silakan aja orang mau pake duitnya buat beli barang mewah apapun > >> >> >> > >jg, itu sih hak mereka. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >Cuma aja, hehehe... orang lain jg berhak unt bilang orang2 itu > >> >> >> > >adalah bajingan borjuis yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan? > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>________________________________ > >> >> >> > >> From: widura <a.widura@> > >> >> >> > >>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >>Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:14 AM > >> >> >> > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi > >> >> >> > >>buat "item abu"... > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>Sebenarnya kalau prosesnya benar keberadaan mobil mewah tidak > >> >> >> > >>jadi masalah karena struktur cost yg dibayar pemiliknya boleh > >> >> >> > >>dibilang besar di pajak barang mewahnya dan biaya2 lainnya yg > >> >> >> > >>dibayar ke kas negara. Dari pajak inilah yg mestinya digunakan > >> >> >> > >>utkÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàredistribusi pendapatan agar ada > >> >> >> > >>manfaatnya utk masyarakat lain yg kekurangan dan atau belum > >> >> >> > >>mampu beli mobil/barang mewah. Relatif sedikit orang yg memiliki > >> >> >> > >>kemampuan beli mobil mewah. Kalau ada pejabat publik yg bisa > >> >> >> > >>beli mobil mewah, tinggal minta pembuktiannya sumber dana yg > >> >> >> > >>digunakannya itu. Ini ada yg bertugas untuk memeriksanya, cuma > >> >> >> > >>ngga tau berfungsi apa tidak satuan tugas ini. Belum lagi > >> >> >> > >>masalah kontrol pendapatan dan penggunaan pajak negara, > >> >> >> > >>informasi inilah yg mesti di buat setransparan mungkin ke publik > >> >> >> > >>sebagai salah satu alat kontrol. > >> >> >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > >>From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > >> >> >> > >>Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:23:27 > >> >> >> > >>To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > >> >> >> > >>Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >>Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat > >> >> >> > >>"item abu"... > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>Saya jadi teringat komentar salah seorang Islam di mailing list > >> >> >> > >>ini dulu: > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/116859 > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>Saya kutip: > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>"lu dan ade manusia guoblok > >> >> >> > >>yang cuma bisa nulis raja arab pakansi, gak mutu > >> >> >> > >>lu orangnya sirik, irihati > >> >> >> > >>lha orang2 yang punya toko kesenengan > >> >> >> > >>elu ama ade kok susah lihat orang seneng dasar manusia berhati > >> >> >> > >>busuk > >> >> >> > >>dan jahat, culas, seneng kalo lihat orang menderita lu baru > >> >> >> > >>seneng > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>lha duit2 orang mau dipake pakansi kek, > >> >> >> > >>itu kan hak asazi orang, nggak ada yang bisa larang > >> >> >> > >>emangngya salah apa sih orang pakansi, shopping > >> >> >> > >>emangnya peke duit lu > >> >> >> > >>kampungan lu" > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> Tentunya si raja Saudi ini akan kaing2 "itu duit ane sendiri, > >> >> >> > >>> kenapa ane ga boleh make". Si Teddy, johny_indon dan anggota > >> >> >> > >>> DPR jg kaing2 yg sama, bukan? > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> Jadi si Teddy dan johny_indon itu boleh bangga krn satu > >> >> >> > >>> kelompok dgn raja Saudi dan anggota DPR yg "terhormat". > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> (Kalo gua sih malu, makanya waktu ada anggota DPR tinggal di > >> >> >> > >>> depan gua, gua ga pernah datang ke rumahnya biarpun diundang). > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> >________________________________ > >> >> >> > >>> > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > >> >> >> > >>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >>> >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:59 PM > >> >> >> > >>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi > >> >> >> > >>> >buat "item abu"... > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >>> >Satu lagi: > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >http://www.islamawareness.net/MiddleEast/Saudi/extravagance1.html > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Saudi king and royal extravagance > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >2002-09-04 09:27:23 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Inter Press Service > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >4 September 2002 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >http://ummahnews.com/viewarticle.php?sid=4190 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >The extravagant vacations of Saudi King Fahd and his > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >royal retinue in Spain are disproportionate for a > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >country that has political and social problems, > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >despite its oil wealth. The 81-year-old king of Saudi > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Arabia, Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al- Saud, accompanied by > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >nearly all of his children and family members and an > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >entourage of more than 3,000, has been vacationing on > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Spain's Costa del Sol since Aug. 14. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >In the posh Mediterranean resort town of Marbella, 450 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >kms southeast of Madrid, he stays in his palace, a > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >replica of the White House named "Mar Mar". Just the > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >preparations of the palace for his visit ran to $185 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >million. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Luxury villas and 300 rooms in five-star hotels were > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >rented for the rest of the royal family in and around > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Marbella. Chic restaurants and jewelry shops have > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >cheerfully prepared for the Saudi visitors, who spent > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >$90 million on their last stay, in 1999. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >On this year's visit, which is to be one month longer > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >than the last one, they are expected to spend as much > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >as $300 million. Although a boon for Spain's tourist > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >industry, that sum indicates the Saudi leaders' lack > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >of concern for their own people. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Emma Bonino, an Italian member of the European > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Parliament, said the royal family has more than $600 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >billion in funds abroad, and is "more interested in > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >investing them on the international markets than at > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >home." > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Saudi Arabia ranked 71st out of 173 nations on the > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >United Nations Development Program's (UNDP) latest > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Human Development Index, which measures factors like > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >life expectancy, school enrollment, and distribution > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >of wealth. Ahead of Saudi Arabia are nations like > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Thailand, Venezuela, Colombia and Slovenia. Per capita > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >income in Saudi Arabia plunged from $35,000 to $7,000 > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >in just 20 years, while the country's Gross National > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Product grew just one percent a year on average during > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >the same period, and its 3.8 percent demographic > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >growth rate is one of the highest in the world. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Meanwhile, discriminatory policies remain in place, > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >such as those that keep the princes and their families > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >separate from the rest of the population, and > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >especially from the immigrants, who keep the economy > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >running, not to mention the discrimination against > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >women. Evidence of that was experienced by Bonino > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >herself when she visited Saudi Arabia as part of a > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >delegation sent by the European Parliament's > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >commission of foreign affairs. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >When they were received by the chair of the Saudi > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >parliament, Salih bin Abdullah bin Humaid, the women > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >deputies were "denied the honor of a handshake or > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >eye-to-eye contact," said Bonino, while explanations > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >that Islam considers women to be different from men > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >were addressed to the male deputy guests. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Several Spanish media outlets reported that a British > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >agency has provided a large group of women to > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >accompany the Saudi men during their vacations in > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Spain, on two conditions: the women must be young and > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >blonde, and must be replaced every 15 days. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Although prostitution is legal in Spain, procuring is > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >punishable by law. Nevertheless, no authority or > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >organization has moved against the British agency, > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >even though the contract was made public. Nor has the > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >illegal hiring of around 50 active-service police > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >officers to moonshine as bodyguards for the Saudi > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >king, princes and princesses been questioned. The > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >arrangement has been reported by several media > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >outlets, with no reaction from the government. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >On the contrary, King Fahd has been given a royal > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >welcome, and was visited in Mar Mar by King Juan > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Carlos, although according to protocol, the Spanish > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >sovereign should have received the visiting monarch. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Fahd will also receive visits from Spanish Prime > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Minister Jose Maria Aznar and U.S. Secretary of State > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Colin Powell. The Saudi monarch and Powell are > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >expected to discuss present or future U.S. actions > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >against Iraq, a touchy subject on which the two > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >countries are publicly divided. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Another question that may be addressed is a lawsuit > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >that a group of Saudis are preparing against the U.S. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >government and several media outlets for > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >"pyschological and economic damages" suffered since > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Washington. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >The lawsuit was announced Aug. 21 in Washington by > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Saudi lawyer Katih al Shamri. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >The dispute over the succession to the Saudi throne > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >further compounds Saudi Arabia's social problems and > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >the difficulties arising from the conflict in the > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Middle East and the "war on terrorism" declared by > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >President George W. Bush, whose government is getting > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >ready to target Iraq. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >Saudi Arabia is important to the United States, as it > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >accounts for 25 percent of the world's oil reserves, > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >and 10 percent of global oil production. > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > >> >> >> > >>> ><bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Ini satu lagi kemewahan yang menjijikkan... > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> http://www.sundream-estate.com/new-36-marbella-remember-king-fahd..html > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Marbella Remember King Fahd. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Marbella Remember King Fahd. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Fahd bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud. 1923 > >> >> >> > >>> >> ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" August 1, > >> >> >> > >>> >> 2005. He was the king and prime minister of Saudi Arabia > >> >> >> > >>> >> and leader of the House of Saud. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Everyone has a favourite Fahd story. Mine was that day he > >> >> >> > >>> >> cast a glance eye over Marbella's Hotel Don Pepe. He sent a > >> >> >> > >>> >> secretary to enquire how much would the owners want for the > >> >> >> > >>> >> hotel. The answerable was politely told the hotel was not > >> >> >> > >>> >> for sale. The secretary replied: "Everyone has a price when > >> >> >> > >>> >> in comes to the king". But not that time. It was one of the > >> >> >> > >>> >> very few occasions that Fahd was rejected. But his love > >> >> >> > >>> >> affair with Marbella was not dimmed. He told a local > >> >> >> > >>> >> journalist that he liked the town "because it is part of a > >> >> >> > >>> >> land blessed by Allah", referring to the time when the area > >> >> >> > >>> >> had been occupied by the Arabs from the 8th to the 13th > >> >> >> > >>> >> century. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> King Fahd's Palace. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> From the hotel Incosol just outside Marbella, Fahd directed > >> >> >> > >>> >> the construction of his Marbella property, Mar Mar Palace, > >> >> >> > >>> >> modelled on the White House. And his retinue of 3.000 > >> >> >> > >>> >> courtiers spent like money was about to go out of fashion. > >> >> >> > >>> >> Krug and caviar become the order of the day on the Golden > >> >> >> > >>> >> Mile. A local newspaper calculated that a Fahd summer visit > >> >> >> > >>> >> saw the profits at Puerto Banus rise by 35.000 Euros a day. > >> >> >> > >>> >> Tales of excess and extravagance, of sex and shopping > >> >> >> > >>> >> sprees, filled the pages of the world's tabloid press. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Fahd becomes known as the king of Bling, the Sultan of > >> >> >> > >>> >> Splendour. His personal wealth was estimated at Euro 25 > >> >> >> > >>> >> billion. "He earned more in a minute that eny monarch in > >> >> >> > >>> >> history did in a year", observed a suitably impressed > >> >> >> > >>> >> writer for the Financial Times. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Ibn Saud's favourite son. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> He arrived at Malaga International Airport in his own > >> >> >> > >>> >> customised Boing-747. Its fittings included a solid gold > >> >> >> > >>> >> toilet, gold cutlery and plates, and a gold throne. But > >> >> >> > >>> >> Fahd often preferred to squat on the floor; perhaps it was > >> >> >> > >>> >> a reminder that his father, Ibn Saud, had been an > >> >> >> > >>> >> uneducated desert Bedouin. Recognised as the country's > >> >> >> > >>> >> first monarch of a new kingdom, Ibn Saud fathered a dynasty > >> >> >> > >>> >> of 46 sons by numerous wives. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Fahd, was Ibn Saud favourite son, spent his youth in Paris > >> >> >> > >>> >> and at the casino in Monte Carlo. I once watched him spend > >> >> >> > >>> >> five million francs on the throw of a dice. Next night, he > >> >> >> > >>> >> turned up with his latest toy; a customised pen that could > >> >> >> > >>> >> sign a cheque in gold ink. He also had the casino fountain > >> >> >> > >>> >> gush only Cristal champagne while he was at the table. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Marbella Official Mourning. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> All this ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" > >> >> >> > >>> >> and more ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" > >> >> >> > >>> >> made him a fawned upon favourite at the Hotel Incosol. > >> >> >> > >>> >> Staff marvelled at the way Fahd could smoke two cigarettes > >> >> >> > >>> >> at one time; he would have an ashtray on either side of his > >> >> >> > >>> >> chair. No one at the hotel knows how many wives he brought. > >> >> >> > >>> >> More certain, he was one of the first kings to parade his > >> >> >> > >>> >> mistresses in public. When he died August 2005, the sense > >> >> >> > >>> >> of loss in Marbella was marked by the town major, Marisol > >> >> >> > >>> >> Yague, declaring three days of official mourning and the > >> >> >> > >>> >> town hall rushed through a decree that the late king was an > >> >> >> > >>> >> adopted son of the municipality. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> In the hotel Incosol, and the other grand hotels of the > >> >> >> > >>> >> coast, no longer would flunkeys murmur the most potent > >> >> >> > >>> >> words in the Spanish language; "el rey pagar'a" (the king > >> >> >> > >>> >> will pay). No longer would Antonia Molina, the owner of > >> >> >> > >>> >> Marbella's finest jewellers, Gomez & Molina, prepare > >> >> >> > >>> >> herself to spend up to a day showing Fahd her latest > >> >> >> > >>> >> collections of precious stones. No longer would the staff > >> >> >> > >>> >> of Marbella Casino receive a signed blank cheque for the > >> >> >> > >>> >> Saudi princes to gamble the night away. And no longer would > >> >> >> > >>> >> the staff at the hotel Incosol receive the king of tips > >> >> >> > >>> >> Fahd once gave them; 300.000 Euro > >> >> >> > >>> >> ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" enough > >> >> >> > >>> >> for the entire staff to receive an extra year's salary. > >> >> >> > >>> >> Puerto Banus will miss one of the large tourist attractions > >> >> >> > >>> >> when King Fahd's huge yacht > >> >> >> > >>> >> ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì"Shaf, is > >> >> >> > >>> >> mooring in the harbour. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> The Last Arab Monarch? > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Now in only King Fahd had tried out some of the spa > >> >> >> > >>> >> treatments at Hotel Incosol, he might have still been able > >> >> >> > >>> >> to enjoy his earlier lifestyle as the undisputed Big > >> >> >> > >>> >> Spender of the Costa del Sol. Is he forever doomed to be > >> >> >> > >>> >> remembered as the last of the old style Arab monarchs? Or > >> >> >> > >>> >> is there among his many sons a potential successor? If so, > >> >> >> > >>> >> the one certainty is he is unlikely to avail himself of the > >> >> >> > >>> >> facilities at hotel Incosol. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> In these turbulent times for the House of Saud, its members > >> >> >> > >>> >> know that any display of pampering will alienate the > >> >> >> > >>> >> further from their own people > >> >> >> > >>> >> ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" bringing > >> >> >> > >>> >> closer the day that Osama bin Laden has promised will see > >> >> >> > >>> >> the end of the royal House of Saudi. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Monument after King Fahd > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> Europa Point in Gibraltar has the largest mosque in a > >> >> >> > >>> >> non-Islamic country. Like the mosque on Marbella's Golden > >> >> >> > >>> >> Mile, it was paid for by King Fahd of Saudi Arabia and > >> >> >> > >>> >> opened in 1997 as a focal point for Arabs travelling in > >> >> >> > >>> >> southern Europe. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > Mirip dgn kata si Oom Pasikom, orang2 Islam plus plus di > >> >> >> > >>> >> > milis ini bilang "jangan sirik, apa salahnya jadi orang > >> >> >> > >>> >> > kaya bermewah2, yg penting duit ane sendiri koq. Peduli > >> >> >> > >>> >> > amat dgn orang lain". > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >________________________________ > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:16 PM > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >Subject: [proletar] Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >buat "item abu"... > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item abu"... > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >Karikatur ini juga jelas belum basi.. > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >http://sosbud.kompasiana.com/2011/11/26/pakai-innova-anggota-dpr-takut-mati-ham-ala-pejabat-negara > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> > > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>------------------------------------ > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>Post message: prole...@egroups.com > >> >> >> > >>SubscribeÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >>proletar-subscr...@egroups.com > >> >> >> > >>Unsubscribe :ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >>proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com > >> >> >> > >>List ownerÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >>proletar-ow...@egroups.com > >> >> >> > >>HomepageÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >>:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhttp://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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