Slau,
I didn't ask for you to gibve me pointers on masterring. that's quite ok!
Don't worry about that part of it. I'm very much willing to do my homework off
list regarding that. I was simply just curious if I was even on the right
track in the first place, thinking that I'll bring those levels back up in the
final masterring process, and by the sounds of it, it's looking like by what
you're saying, that yes. That's exactly right.
Thanks for the help.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Slau Halatyn
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Monitoring levels
Chris,
Your final mixes should follow the same principle. Ultimately, you need to
create a final master where you bump up your levels, add final EQ and
compression, in other words, mastering. That's beyond the scope of an email
list. I'm simply telling you what the norm is for recording into a dAW. Keep
your levels conservative and you'll be fine without worrying about clipping.
Slau
On May 7, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, then, yeah, turn all that way way up on the monitor once I have
Voiceover on another device isolated, but that still doesn't tell me once all
recorded how to then get that volume back to its original level so it's equal
with all my other sound. Is that where a stereo master fader track comes into
play? I'd create one of them in the session, then bump that volume slider back
up to compensate, or is there actually a better way?
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Slau Halatyn
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Monitoring levels
You have to figure out a way to keep VoiceOver and Pro Tools output
separate. Your just setting yourself up for a difficult time by trying to run
things the way you have them set up.
Also, crank your vocal track up to the max on the fader. As you know,
this has no effect on recording levels, so boost it. Even a plug-in will have
no effect on the recorded track except while it's instantiated. The thing to
shoot for, really, is to keep the screen reader, system sounds, etc. (like
Chris Smart mentioned) separate from Pro Tools.
Slau
On May 7, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Slau,
I have a question then,
I find that on my monitors, if I leave my volume slider in ProTools on
a vocal track at 0%, then on my interface, I turn my gain dial way down to the
point where in PT, on that track, it shows -18DB, that is so profusely quiet,
that I literally almost cannot even hear it unless I turn my monitors almost 3
fourths the way up. Which of corse is way! way! quieter than Voiceover speech,
or say my music instrument tracks etc. In order to get a good level that is
audible, I'm having to way raise that gain. Even if I don't raise the gain on
my interface, but pull the slider on the track in PT all the way to +12DB,
which is practically all the way up, it only then starts! to become audible. I
know you're probably saying, then, ok, Chris, you're music is way way way too
hot. Crank it way the hell down! If I do that, then again, the over all level
is very crisp and clean and doesn't clip, but at the same time, compared to my
over all volume, PT not with standing, the recording volume is so pathetically
low in comparison to everything else, that if I crank it up enough to hear it,
any other sound that gets fed through like Alex from Voiceover etc. literally
is deafening! I understand we're talking two different levels here. the one
on my interface is the input volume, whilst the one on the track in PT is the
output volume, I totally get that. I'm just not sure how to keep that input
gain on my interface real real low, yet achieve the same level on the output
volume without having to bring that input gain so hot. I do have an insert I
sometimes pop on a vocal track, it's just one of the default pre-installed
dynamic compression plugins, and yeah, if I set the preset to vocal leveler, it
helps some, but I don't always want compression. All I need is an output
volume only boost. I thought about using a Pre, if I could find a good
hardware one that was accessible, but even that is gonna be for the input gain,
not the output.
So, if you have any suggestions, or think you may know what is going
on, let me know.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Slau Halatyn
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Monitoring levels
Chris,
If you're in danger of clipping, you're recording way too hot. With
something like a vocal, your final peak should be -9 to -6 dB full scale. That
means your average level should be in the range of -18 to -12 dB. That's what
headroom is for. You're recording with 24 bits which give you a theoretical
dynamic range of of 140 decibels. The sources you're recording are nowhere near
140 decibels, not even close. By pulling back your level, you'll eliminate any
concern over clipping. Pro Tools is designed to have average levels at -18 dB.
18 decibels of headroom is plenty for just about anything you'll ever record.
Slau
On May 7, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm 100% perfectly aware that I can monitor the level of an
individual track by interacting with it, then finding the meter, and then, I
can keep hitting vo+F3 to read what's under the Voiceover cursor. what however
I'm looking for, is something slightly more robust. Is there a way, and if so,
how, that I could asign a hotspot or something similar then have it where it
won't read the meter automatically, no, however, if, and only! if, I clip,
it'll automatically trigger voiceover to say clipped, or to read the meter in
such of a way I'll know I'm clipping? Sometimes, with my hearing loss, it's
slightly tricky for me to know audibly, until it gets where it's so badly
clipping, that it's flat out disgusting. The issue is, yeah, I could manually
look, but what if I only clip on say, one note? If I sing right over that note
for instance then check the meter one or two notes early/late, I might miss
something very very important. I'm just wonderring the best way to hit that
meter dead spot on, so I know instantly! that I'm clipping.
Chris.
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