I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and
bought and scanned the other two.
For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want
the DVD that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file.
Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and
narrower bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers
quickly, learning what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs,
delays etc. do, being able to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of
just adjusting things, seeing what they do, and trying to remember
what it sounds like when you do this or that.
Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those
guys with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine
them, etc. I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches
are. But, I quickly started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A
on a piano. double that to 880 and you get a note an octave higher.
Halve it to 220 and you get an octave lower. Halve it a couple times
and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum of electrical noise in Europe.
You can map out the audible spectrum that way if you want, if you're
coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano is around 4K.
The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 Hz. on
and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and
halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc.
You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an
octave wide.
At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote:
Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this
e-mail in my archives, and will definitely check out these
books. There is also some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me
a while back, and I have almost all of those tutorials at this
point. I need to look again at what they're called, but they're
excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in.
Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in
audio format anywhere?
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca>
To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong.
Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out:
1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio
That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to
commercial standards.
(and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free
multitrack library of material to practice on!)
www.cambridge-mt.com
and
2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools
http://www.mixingaudio.com/
That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes
in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the
first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such
as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book.
Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material.
For mastering, the bible is:
Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science.
His site is at:
http://www.digido.com
Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording.
At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote:
In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about
reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd
recommend starting with?
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca>
To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong.
if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of
books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc.
The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.)
At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote:
You wrote:
First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people
have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into
your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people.
And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do
you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help
explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that
people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't
wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and
simple. It's only an option I provided.
Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the
way down, then there's another issue here that you need to
address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that
no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line
level without a preamp of some sort.
The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're
correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm
hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing
than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done
with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio
production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly
announcing the meter levels.
You wrote:
You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for
it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on
to figure out your issue.
OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that
what one should do?... search and try to figure out the
answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't
search nor ask for what may be the cause?
You wrote:
I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself.
I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When
sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around
-14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual
mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I
sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter,
according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at
this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is
being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing
in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the
physical hardware gain input dial on the channel through my
interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly.
You wrote:
It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The
problem is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't
understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem.
OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to
research more thoroughly?
You wrote:
The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the
various aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there
are schools that teach audio engineering and production.
OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools...
You wrote:
Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can
take quite a long time.
Understandable.
You wrote:
Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface
and nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels
can be at -4 dB FS.
For one thing, I know what -4DB means, but when you say DB FS,
what do you mean by FS? Maybe we're talking two different
levels here. Then again, nmaybe not? Secondly, let me go back
to my initial point. If indeed this is not ProTools related,
and please know, this isn't in any way meant to challenge you
nor to be rude/difficult, I'm just trying to understand your
point from the bigger picture. So, keep that in mind when
reading what I'm about to ask.
If PT has nothing to do with it, which by the way, I'm in
agreement with you on at this point in time until proven
otherwise, then explain this to me... Why then is PT 10 with
Voiceover showing me something totally different than PT 11,
when my settings are absolutely 100% identical on both versions,
I'm running both on the same mac computer, so it's not like I'm
on a different workstation, same hardware, same interface, same
drivers, same software, same hardware wiring, same hookup, and
all my levels on PT, as well as on the interface itself haven't
been touched with a 12 foot poll, sota speak, yet I'm getting
totally completely different readouts between the two
versions? That almost indicates to me that there is an issue in
PT 11.2 reading the meaters, vs. in 10.0. This is why I asked a
few messages back in the thread if PT11 handled the meters a
little differently, or if it was an issue of Voiceover itself
doing something odd.
You wrote:
I guarantee that there's another piece of gear that's causing
you to see levels that hot. I suggest you eliminate the
variables and figure the problem out that way.
All I have is my keyboard which is only running into the
interface via midi, so it can't be causing line levels, however,
none the less, I unplugged it and shut it off. I literally went
as far as to literally unplug it from the electrical power
strip. I also unplugged the midi in and out cords from both the
keyboard and the other ends of them from the interface.
Essentially, I totally unhooked the keyboard. I also unplugged
my xlr cord from both my microphone, as well as from the channel
1 input on my interface, and even turned off phantom power. I
even hit the 20DB padding button on channel 1, to knotch it back
20DB just in case it was hearing some electrical hiss/buzz
noise, which is unlikely, but you never know. Even doing all
this, it did no baring. 10.0 still shows totally acceptible, whilst 11.2 isn't.
I should add that there are no sends, and no plugins on the
audio track in PT which are giving me this issue with the
meter. I know that the volume fader on the track is output not
my input volume, however, just to see if something wasn't set
right, I ran that fader all the way to minus infinity yet it had
no baring. I even muted the track. Again, I understand totally
that is dealing with output, not input, so that wouldn't have
any effect. I know, I know, I know. I did it just for the hell
of it. I figure I had nothing to lose.
Chris.
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