Hi Katie, There have been instances where plug-in parameters can be changed from a surface but not with VoiceOver. Often, this has been resolved but there could be instances in the future of which we're currently unaware so having the surface with fader flip mode is truly helpful.
Yes, AES cycles every year between New York and the west coast either in San Francisco or Los Angeles. Slau On Oct 28, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote: > Hi. Thanks for explaining what fader flip mode is. I haven’t had to use this > mode yet, but that’s cool I can either use this for changing plug in > parameters on the console or use Voiceover. That’s interesting Mackie > discontinued using fader flip mode since they first implemented this a while > ago. > Is the AES show in New York this year? > Katie > >> On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:14 AM, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There you go. I can't imagine having to use Pro Tools without fader flip >> mode. Again, I recognize the appeal of having a surface that works for more >> than just one DAW but, frankly, that is a non-issue for me because I use >> precisely one DAW. Ironically, the original HUI specification where fader >> flip was implemented was in the Mackie HUI control surface itself. Even some >> Digidesign surfaces didn't have it at first. Now, every Avid surface offers >> it. I know the J.L. Cooper stuff featured fader flip mode as well. Today, >> I'm not sure what the lay of the land is for third party manufacturers. >> >> Slau >> >> On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:04 AM, mcdiemert . <mcdiem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Have never gotten FF mode to work at all in PT 10/11/12. >>> I have considered switching from the MCU for this very reason as >>> working with the encoder knobs can be quite annoying to put it mildly. >>> >>> >>> On 10/28/15, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> In fader flip mode, plug-in controls which are normally mapped to the >>>> encoder knobs are flipped down to appear on the faders instead. This gives >>>> a >>>> blind user the benefit of a tactile representation of the parameter values. >>>> It's pretty much the only way I've accessed plug-ins in Pro Tools. >>>> Actually, >>>> a combination of fader flip mode and directly changing parameter values >>>> with >>>> VoiceOver seems to work best. All Avid surfaces have fader flip mode and >>>> some, but not all, third party surfaces have the mode as well. Supposedly, >>>> the Mackie Control has it but, again, I have yet to hear of somebody >>>> reliably using it in that mode. >>>> >>>> Slau >>>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:11 AM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, what does fader flip mode do on a control surface? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Katie >>>>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Katie, >>>>>> >>>>>> When speaking of Pro Tools specifically, you won't get better access than >>>>>> with the C|24 and possibly the S3. While the idea of the Macke Control >>>>>> is appealing, especially at its price point, I have yet to hear of a >>>>>> blind user who has truly found it to be a viable surface for Pro Tools. >>>>>> While it'll certainly work for things like transport, scrubbing (although >>>>>> I don't like the way it scrubs), mute, solo, etc., my understanding is >>>>>> that it lacks in the ability to reliably switch into fader flip mode >>>>>> which is one of the most important aspects of control surface >>>>>> implementation for blind users of Pro Tools. If someone's experience on >>>>>> the list is significantly different, I'd love to hear about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Slau >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Slau. I just looked at the Mackie Universal Pro control surface on >>>>>>> the B&H website. I just read about this one when I was browsing some old >>>>>>> posts on the PT list about control surfaces. It sounds like this control >>>>>>> surface might be better than the S3 since its got a jog wheel for >>>>>>> editing audio in scrub or shuttle modes. Can you use this for mixing in >>>>>>> stereo or surround sound? >>>>>>> Not sure if this control surface would be better than the C24. Let me >>>>>>> know what you think. >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Katie >>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cool. Thanks Slau. I didn’t know the AES show was this weekend. Let me >>>>>>>> know what you find out about the S3 and how you like using it. >>>>>>>> I know Rick hasn’t used this board either. If its not as accessible, I >>>>>>>> might as well go with the C24. I’ll be doing a lot of editing voiceover >>>>>>>> tracks and mixing projects in stereo and surround sound. >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think about the S3 control surface after you >>>>>>>> attend AES. >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Katie >>>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Katie, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is >>>>>>>>> fully supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further >>>>>>>>> along in its life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will >>>>>>>>> probably be supported for a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is >>>>>>>>> perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm not sure. In addition, the s3 is half >>>>>>>>> the price but, as you pointed out, doesn't necessarily have all of the >>>>>>>>> same features that come in so handy with the C|24. I'll be at AES this >>>>>>>>> week and will have a chance to take a closer look at the S3 and, since >>>>>>>>> I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast the two. I'll see if >>>>>>>>> I can paint a fuller picture by next week. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Slau >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox’s name, I’m not >>>>>>>>>> sure why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to >>>>>>>>>> field. I’ll try to delete that next time I email the list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I haven’t emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question >>>>>>>>>> about control surfaces. I’m currently working at Rick Boggs' studio >>>>>>>>>> Audio Eyes part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work >>>>>>>>>> producing video description. I’ll be going full time by next year and >>>>>>>>>> will be getting my own digital audio workstation so I can work >>>>>>>>>> remotely from home or at the studio. I reopened my case with DOR in >>>>>>>>>> California, and they will be purchasing this system for me. I was >>>>>>>>>> planning to get the C24 control surface since that’s what we have at >>>>>>>>>> the studio, and I’m really familiar with this board. But I was >>>>>>>>>> browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found >>>>>>>>>> information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it >>>>>>>>>> was introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3 >>>>>>>>>> control surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you >>>>>>>>>> know if this is accessible with Voiceover? I’ve never seen the S3 >>>>>>>>>> control surface. I’ve used the C24 at the studio many times, so I’m >>>>>>>>>> very familiar with using that board. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a >>>>>>>>>> separate desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller >>>>>>>>>> control surface compared to the C24, but I wasn’t sure which one >>>>>>>>>> would be the best option for me to use with ProTools. Does the S3 >>>>>>>>>> come with its own desk, or do you need to purchase it separately? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’ve heard the S3 is EUCON enabled which is cool, so you can use this >>>>>>>>>> with other applications besides ProTools like Logic or Digital >>>>>>>>>> Performer. This board has 16 channels you can work with instead of >>>>>>>>>> 24. I’m not sure though if the S3 has a lot of analog controls like >>>>>>>>>> the C24 or not. I’ve read that the S3 doesn’t have a lot of audio >>>>>>>>>> editing functions though, so I think I’d have to get the Artist >>>>>>>>>> Transport to use for editing and recording. I like that the C24 >>>>>>>>>> includes the transport controls as well as the jog wheel, and the >>>>>>>>>> scrub and shuttle modes all in one unit. Is the Artist Transport a >>>>>>>>>> good device to use for editing? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you guys think. I’d like to get a control surface I >>>>>>>>>> can use and that’s still supported by Avid for at least five years or >>>>>>>>>> longer. 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